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Gang,

I think this is rapidly approaching peeing into the wind status. :(

I know we care about the health of the snake but, if advice is being ignored, there is little point in repeating it.

Lol im starting to think so too. No way even a kid could be this dense. He probably is running a Herpstat 4 with all the bells and whistles and just trolling us all lol

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Lol im starting to think so too. No way even a kid could be this dense. He probably is running a Herpstat 4 with all the bells and whistles and just trolling us all lol

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It's a girl. And she left the original thread she created because people were yelling at her for not getting a thermostat, having a heat lamp, or proper humidity. She's super dense, super stupid, and super ignorant of the proper snake conditions. Her snake will die, it will be unfortunate, but because she's an ignorant, stubborn, and dense teenager (she's only 15), she will only learn to have a thermostat, a heat lamp, and some sort of humidifier once her snake dies. I bet her snake already is starting to burn and she won't notice until she has a nice roasted snake in her basement where she keeps her snake tank.


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I sharpened my pitchforks. Bob is handing out torches. Everyone ready?

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Originally Posted by dr del

Gang,

I think this is rapidly approaching peeing into the wind status. :(

I know we care about the health of the snake but, if advice is being ignored, there is little point in repeating it.

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But I want to keep tugging on Super[wo]man's cape!

I have been reading this posting and the ones before you left the first time. Again we are not telling you this for our health or yours. We are telling you this from experience and for the health of you animal. Take it or leave it, it is your decision. It is not a matter of if something happens but when something happens. When it does and hopefully you get something to regulate before it does you may not get much sympathy from a lot of people on the site because you are basically saying that we do not know what we are talking about. So everyone on this site is wrong according to you. yet there are most likely more years of experience combined then the oldest person on heres age.

This is killing me. This girl is the same age as I am, I'm also a girl, but the difference is that I didn't even open my heat pad for my snakes until I got my crappy little thermostat. And even this zilla one is better than nothing. Sure the temp fluctuations are from like ~83-~92 but at least its in range. I'm actually saving up for a herpstat 4 because they kick butt. Dang girl. Get it together.

People are weirdly, stubbornly defensive of their terrible husbandry practices. I've seen this across the board: people insisting sand is fine for leopard geckos, that it's perfectly okay to give igs extra protein by feeding them pinkies and crickets, keeping turtles in scummy tanks of water and betta fish in bowls, etc. And it's always "Well I've done it for X amount of years and never had a problem!" when in reality their animals don't live for anywhere near as long as they should, and they just shrug, and pass off sudden death as a tragic and surprising thing that just suddenly happened with no way to have predicted. I don't know why it is, but it's so terribly, awfully sad for the animals that they have to suffer slow, unpleasant deaths like that.

I really really do not get how you do not get this. You admitted the temp in the glass was 120 but on top of substrate was 90...therefore your argument is invalid. If for some reason Marshall decides to go under his substrate or even gets confused, as my 3 month old did the other day and got between layers somehow, he will be a cooked snake...and your digitL thermometer was going crazy? Yeh it was, probably telling you it's was saying 110!!!


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People are weirdly, stubbornly defensive of their terrible husbandry practices. I've seen this across the board: people insisting sand is fine for leopard geckos, that it's perfectly okay to give igs extra protein by feeding them pinkies and crickets, keeping turtles in scummy tanks of water and betta fish in bowls, etc. And it's always "Well I've done it for X amount of years and never had a problem!" when in reality their animals don't live for anywhere near as long as they should, and they just shrug, and pass off sudden death as a tragic and surprising thing that just suddenly happened with no way to have predicted. I don't know why it is, but it's so terribly, awfully sad for the animals that they have to suffer slow, unpleasant deaths like that.

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This girl is that dense that when her snake dies, she'll probably blame it on a pre-existing condition. The snake should live well into this girl's 50s, but at the rate she's going, it'll be dead within a year. Its too cold and will have the biggest RI known to bp's.

She is either thicker than two short planks or a troll...now that this old lady knows what one is.


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This girl is that dense that when her snake dies, she'll probably blame it on a pre-existing condition. The snake should live well into this girl's 50s, but at the rate she's going, it'll be dead within a year. Its too cold and will have the biggest RI known to bp's.

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Oh yeah. I'm predicting either burns, or a bad case of RI in the next three months. I wonder if she will even be able to tell when it gets sick until the snake is way too far gone.

Ok,

First off we do not allow personal attacks or name calling - so let's stop those before I have to resort to infractions please.

Secondly, as much as we can see the problems looming, it is her responsibility and her pet. I disagree on her understanding of what she has read but we are here to offer advice and we have done so.

You can lead a horse to water, but sometimes you just end up with a wet horse smell.

Let this one drop and give time for learning to occur.

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Ok,

First off we do not allow personal attacks or name calling - so let's stop those before I have to resort to infractions please.

Secondly, as much as we can see the problems looming, it is her responsibility and her pet. I disagree on her understanding of what she has read but we are here to offer advice and we have done so.

You can lead a horse to water, but sometimes you just end up with a wet horse smell.

Let this one drop and give time for learning to occur.

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I still think that if forum admins are telling her to use a thermostat and a heat lamp, that it is probably wise of her to listen. At this point, her negligence is grounds for having some sort of animal control called. This girl lives in Alberta, so I'm not sure what they have for Animal Control in Canada, but I'm guessing that their laws are probably stricter than US laws which may result in a hefty fine if not jail time.

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Ok,

First off we do not allow personal attacks or name calling - so let's stop those before I have to resort to infractions please.

Secondly, as much as we can see the problems looming, it is her responsibility and her pet. I disagree on her understanding of what she has read but we are here to offer advice and we have done so.

You can lead a horse to water, but sometimes you just end up with a wet horse smell.

Let this one drop and give time for learning to occur.

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Dr Del that is the smartest thing I have seen posted on this so for...Personally I think he/she is a troll, and everyone just keeps feeding into his/her story, and they are eating it up. Most likely sitting back in their butt laughing at everyone being in a stew over this..DONT FEED THE TROLL and it will leave ;)

Sorry! [emoji20] Just got frustrated!! But I expect that's the point. [emoji37]


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70f is way too cold. Last Thursday we had a power outage and my house got down to 70f. You know what I did, I woke up at 3am, started up my car and cranked the heater on, piled everyone into totes and we all spent the next 4 hours in the car with the heater going like Noah and the ark. It was miserable. I was tired as hell and cars are very uncomfortable after 4 hours. But you gotta do what you gotta do the take care of your animals. They depend on you for their safety and well being. Funny part was my bearded dragon didn't wake up through the whole thing. She finally woke up at 9am when her lights came on from the timers and looked at me like "why are you awake and why do you look so tired?" :) Bottom line is get that ambient up about 10f or you could have some health issues not to mention feeding issues.

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Dr Del that is the smartest thing I have seen posted on this so for...Personally I think he/she is a troll, and everyone just keeps feeding into his/her story, and they are eating it up. Most likely sitting back in their butt laughing at everyone being in a stew over this..DONT FEED THE TROLL and it will leave ;)

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The pictures are pretty convincing on her other threads....however she only posts pictures of the snake and not her setup or anything.

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The pictures are pretty convincing on her other threads....however she only posts pictures of the snake and not her setup or anything.

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She did post one pic of her tank in another post ....... it is a 10gal tank with paper towel substrate, and a combination water dish/hide in the middle .

Hah Deborah you better get your key ready because this thread is probably going to end up locked just like the other one. This is like yelling louder and louder at a deaf person thinking that if I scream as loud as possible, maybe they will hear/listen to me. This girl has obviously closed her ears to everyone's advice so everyone should just save their breath and let it go. Or continue while I go grab another bag of popcorn. :rolleyes:0

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She did post one pic of her tank in another post ....... it is a 10gal tank with paper towel substrate, and a combination water dish/hide in the middle .

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Can you put the link to that thread in this thread?

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I still think that if forum admins are telling her

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Why? We are no different than anyone else here other than our names are different colors and we have work to do around here.

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Why? We are no different than anyone else here other than our names are different colors and we have work to do around here.

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yeah but I would assume if you're an admin, you probably have way more experience than us non-admins.

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Or continue while I go grab another bag of popcorn. :rolleyes:0

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Hurry back with that popcorn. I'd like extra butter please... Where are all the memes at? lol

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World's greatest troll.

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Nah, I've seen better. She's not even in the top 50%, a REALLY good troll could heat up this thread to blazing hot with or without a thermostat.

(but you knew that)

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yeah but I would assume if you're an admin, you probably have way more experience than us non-admins.

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Which a lot of people would assume. However, some people with more knowledge may not have the time or want the added responsibilty of being an admin added to their list of thing to do. I know I wouldn't want to have to read through threads like the one that was just locked everyday in it's entirety. (I did, but wouldn't want to do it every day...lol) :P

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Can you put the link to that thread in this thread?

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Here is the link ..... way down at the bottom of that page

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ython!!/page12

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Originally Posted by dr del

Ok,

First off we do not allow personal attacks or name calling - so let's stop those before I have to resort to infractions please.

Secondly, as much as we can see the problems looming, it is her responsibility and her pet. I disagree on her understanding of what she has read but we are here to offer advice and we have done so.

You can lead a horse to water, but sometimes you just end up with a wet horse smell.

Let this one drop and give time for learning to occur.

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Thank You! I understand different opinions and that you guys are trying to help my snake get the very best, but the way I'm getting treated is so disrespectful! So thank you for your kindness and maturity.






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Thank You! I understand different opinions and that you guys are trying to help my snake get the very best, but the way I'm getting treated is so disrespectful! So thank you for your kindness and maturity.






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Sorry but your snake really isn't getting the best. Your husbandry is questionable and I fear for your snake's life. I hope you finally learn from what everyone is saying before your snake gets any sort of respiratory infection...not that you'd know what it would look like. You'll be wishing you listened to all of us when your snake is laying dead in his tank from either being cooked to death or getting super sick.


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Thank You! I understand different opinions and that you guys are trying to help my snake get the very best, but the way I'm getting treated is so disrespectful! So thank you for your kindness and maturity.

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At the moment your snake is not anywhere near getting the best husbandry, he is actually in a very dangerous situation. From too low ambient to boiling hot hot spot, and the one picture I saw of his set up he had only one huge hide and a water bowel. Period. Please go back and re read the care sheets available on this forum or get on Amazon and get an ebook on BP's or call a REPTILE SPECIALIST VET. The University's usually have a reptile/exotic vet on staff. These are animals totally dependent on our care and knowledge. They can't jump the fence and run away or hide from cruelty, their environment is entirely our responsibility. Refusing to listen to people far better educated in the hobby/business and purposely putting your animal in the environment you have is cruelty, plain and simple, I don't care how old you are. I saw on another thread you are getting a dimmer, better than nothing, but certainly not the best that you refer to.


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All of which I already knew.

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I doubt it.

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It's just so confusing, this forum says thermostats are a must and tell me stories like yours. But others I know and have talked to who own animals who need heat pads do not use thermostats and have no problems. Do understand why I might be a little confused?

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I doubt your friends know as much as some of the established members here. What forum are they apart of and where did they learn their husbandry practices?

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Yes underneath it is about 120f. But on top with a few layers of paper towel it stays at 90-92f. The paper towel stays down and Marshall does not burrow because the hide I have is heavy.

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You need to not under estimate the strength of a snake. If it wants under the paper towels it will get there. Once there it will stay to long and you are going to have a burned snake.

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Originally Posted by gameonpython

Thank You! I understand different opinions and that you guys are trying to help my snake get the very best, but the way I'm getting treated is so disrespectful! So thank you for your kindness and maturity.

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Much of the things expressed to you have not been opinions and are facts. You seem to have very little working knowledge of snakes and need to listen to those here that are loaded with it. Many members here have probably been raising snakes longer than you have been alive.

I don't see why you ask the question and then discount the answer. I can tell you it is very frustrating to waste our time trying to help somebody that comes off with a remark and reason for everything they do wrong and try to convince us your practices are ok. You have many issues and maybe you should change your tactics and stop creating post and instead go on a reading:reading: binge and search the forum for all the burn snake threads, thermostat threads, feeding threads, and general husbandry threads. Nothing you have asked has not been asked before and at least if you read old threads you wont be wasting peoples time by getting them to help you just for you to say your way is working fine.

Do things your way. Lets see where that gets you.:frustrate

I hope for your snakes sake you stop being hard headed and follow the advice you are asking for.

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I doubt it.



I doubt your friends know as much as some of the established members here. What forum are they apart of and where did they learn their husbandry practices?



You need to not under estimate the strength of a snake. If it wants under the paper towels it will get there. Once there it will stay to long and you are going to have a burned snake.



Much of the things expressed to you have not been opinions and are facts. You seem to have very little working knowledge of snakes and need to listen to those here that are loaded with it. Many members here have probably been raising snakes longer than you have been alive.

I don't see why you ask the question and then discount the answer. I can tell you it is very frustrating to waste our time trying to help somebody that comes off with a remark and reason for everything they do wrong and try to convince us your practices are ok. You have many issues and maybe you should change your tactics and stop creating post and instead go on a reading:reading: binge and search the forum for all the burn snake threads, thermostat threads, feeding threads, and general husbandry threads. Nothing you have asked has not been asked before and at least if you read old threads you wont be wasting peoples time by getting them to help you just for you to say your way is working fine.

Do things your way. Lets see where that gets you.:frustrate

I hope for your snakes sake you stop being hard headed and follow the advice you are asking for.

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I need you to understand that I actually have not asked for any opinions on t-stats on this thread. I have another post that I had asked about heating, if you want to tell me about heating tell me there.


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I need you to understand that I actually have not asked for any opinions on t-stats on this thread. I have another post that I had asked about heating, if you want to tell me about heating tell me there.

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I already did before I ran across this thread. BTW I fully understand, I just wish you did. Maybe one day.:please:

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At the moment your snake is not anywhere near getting the best husbandry, he is actually in a very dangerous situation. From too low ambient to boiling hot hot spot, and the one picture I saw of his set up he had only one huge hide and a water bowel. Period. Please go back and re read the care sheets available on this forum or get on Amazon and get an ebook on BP's or call a REPTILE SPECIALIST VET. The University's usually have a reptile/exotic vet on staff. These are animals totally dependent on our care and knowledge. They can't jump the fence and run away or hide from cruelty, their environment is entirely our responsibility. Refusing to listen to people far better educated in the hobby/business and purposely putting your animal in the environment you have is cruelty, plain and simple, I don't care how old you are. I saw on another thread you are getting a dimmer, better than nothing, but certainly not the best that you refer to.


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Interesting you say I'm not listening to anything I've been told. The ONLY thing I have not done is get a thermostat, and yeah as you saw in my other post, I am wanting a rheostat.

Just to clarify for everyone, I did not say my snake is getting the best, I said you guys are trying to help my snake get the best. I am not boasting and bragging about my care, I am well aware that I am a beginner and there are things that could use some fixing- example, my hide. Which I asked about in another post.


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Interesting you say I'm not listening to anything I've been told. The ONLY thing I have not done is get a thermostat, and yeah as you saw in my other post, I am wanting a rheostat.

Just to clarify for everyone, I did not say my snake is getting the best, I said you guys are trying to help my snake get the best. I am not boasting and bragging about my care, I am well aware that I am a beginner and there are things that could use some fixing- example, my hide. Which I asked about in another post.


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you also need a heat lamp so that your ambient temperatures in the tank are over 80 degrees on the cold side.

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Interesting you say I'm not listening to anything I've been told. The ONLY thing I have not done is get a thermostat, and yeah as you saw in my other post, I am wanting a rheostat.

Just to clarify for everyone, I did not say my snake is getting the best, I said you guys are trying to help my snake get the best. I am not boasting and bragging about my care, I am well aware that I am a beginner and there are things that could use some fixing- example, my hide. Which I asked about in another post.


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The only topic of discussion on the threads I've read from you has been the thermostat. And now you are arguing about feeders. Why do you ask if you think you are right?

And no we aren't wanting your snake "to get the best", just the minimum required for the safety and health of your pet. Big difference!!!


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Originally Posted by Reed12321

you also need a heat lamp so that your ambient temperatures in the tank are over 80 degrees on the cold side.

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And two hides, one on each side so he can choose and they need to be small enough that he touches it on the sides and top. Or put paper towels or newspaper in them to make a tighter fit.
I think you've been referred to the sticky on setting up a glass 10 gallon more than once

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This wild caught troll may be a dinker. If you notice the slight trolling pattern on its side. BUT the markings on the head show a recessive trait leaning towards ignorance. Clearly we can tell this new hybrid mutation is different than most wild caught trolls. Generally the troll is very overt with its patterns. This new muddied look let's it live longer in the world. Undetected for just long enough. It's markings entice prey into thinking it is hurt confused or weak. Then it slips back and drags the prey along for a ride. My thoughts at at least.

And on that note I'm closing this down.