who uses water bowls and who dont

On this note........ how many people have had a t-stat fail and the snake uses its water source to try and stay cool?

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

On this note........ how many people have had a t-stat fail and the snake uses its water source to try and stay cool?

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ME!

I came home and found the t-stat on the space heater keeping ambient temperatures in the room up failed when we had an unusually warm day. It wasn't even a hot/cool side issue; there was no cool side because the whole room was 102 degrees. Found Atlas submerged in her water bowl. Scared the PEE out of me, but she was okay. I'm sure I caught it fast since I'm in and out of there quite a bit, but I'm glad the bowl was there, too.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

. It's quite possible that they go long periods of time without drinking in the wild, but your cage is NOT in the wild.

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This is actually a good point. There are regular sources of water in the wild that aren't standing water, and they're present every day - especially in a humid environment.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

On this note........ how many people have had a t-stat fail and the snake uses its water source to try and stay cool?

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Fortunately my only t-stat failure caused it to turn off rather than run wide open... but you have a good point.

Also, just because I rarely see my BP's drinking doesn't mean that they never do, because I don't watch them 24/7/365.

I wasn't going to touch this thread but this is getting ridiculous... I think it's animal abuse and very irresponsible behavior not to provide your BP with water. Whether you see your snakes drink or not, they do. This isn't something that's up for discussion. And none of the animals in the wild have a water bowl. This doesn't mean that people who have these animals as pets deny them water. Stop abusing your animals and provide them with water.

There is only one occasion when my snakes do not have a water dish and that is when a male and a female are being paired (and that's a total of 2 days)

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Originally Posted by Mr. Misha

I wasn't going to touch this thread but this is getting ridiculous... I think it's animal abuse and very irresponsible behavior not to provide your BP with water. Whether you see your snakes drink or not, they do. This isn't something that's up for discussion. And none of the animals in the wild have a water bowl. This doesn't mean that people who have these animals as pets deny them water. Stop abusing your animals and provide them with water.

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Personally I think this leans more towards neglect than abuse. The OP (who appears to be a newb) seems to think he knows more than all of those with years of experience, and to prove he knows better, he's basically conducting a long term experiment (at the expense of his snakes). Just because they haven't keeled over in 4 months doesn't mean there won't be long term ill effects. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I still can't help but think this experiment is being carried out due to laziness as I have yet to hear of 1 good reason why you wouldn't provide a water bowl...and forcing the snakes to lick water droplets off the side of the tub does not qualify as a substitute to having a water bowl...:rolleyes:

I use water bowls for all my snakes, why wouldn't I? This is hilarious. Well not really, it would be hilarious if there weren't live animals involved in the 'experiment'. On this note, why doesn't someone 'experiment' with turning the heat off, or putting the snakes in the fridge? Then you would't have to feed them either! I mean, come on, how hard is it to change water every 1 or 2 days? Even if you have a big collection, there's no excuse. You made your bed when you decided to keep snakes, now lie in it and provide proper husbandry for your animals. Peace :snake:

I cringe to think what is taking place in the 6 pages of discussion here. This is not worthy of a poll or discussion. (EDIT: I read the 6 pages... there's one person saying they don't use bowls and the rest arguing the same point to each other - that they are required)

Food, Water, Shelter - these are basic rights of anything living. I have had my water bowls out for a day or two because I got distracted while cleaning or other reasons - when I put the bowls back in I have at least 50% of my snakes come directly out of their hide and stick their face in the water to drink.

You're a despicable person if you keep an animal in a cage and don't offer it basic rights. On the scale of maintenance, these are easily in the bottom 5% for time required for care. If you can't provide and switch water you just should not own pets.

Ya know, I've read this thread, and since everyone else has essentially said what I've been thinking for me, I wasn't going to post. But, and I apologize if someone else posted this, and I missed it . . .

Years ago, on another forum, a guy who works a lot with blackheaded pythons made an observation tying chronic dehydration to egg binding. I believe the fellow was Derek Roddy, though I don't have notes in front of me on it. I don't want to butcher his findings trying to paraphrase, but it makes perfect sense. That is definitely something to keep in mind breeding snakes that are more than likely not at their ideal level of internal hydration.

This truly saddens me to read these posts. not those who are total against providing a water source for any other reason then it is the right thing to do!!!! who cares about breeding, or whether or not they need it consistently, it is the right thing to do. How much effort does it friggin take to change a water bowl out every other day???? it took more effort to turn on your computer, log in and type this thread then it would to change out water once a friggin week!!! get rid of your snakes and every other living creature you "own" and get a rock garden!!!!!! LOSER!!!!

I don't give any of mine water bowls. When they're thirsty they just ask me for a drink. Mine actually prefer Guinness to water. And they can tell when I give them just the draught, they're all about the foreign stout for that extra kick in the ass. Such lovely little beings they are. :)

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Couldn't resist.

Dish user. It's purpose is mostly humidity and aesthetics. Sometimes it's a place to hang out.

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Originally Posted by steve_r34

Wanna know just put y for yes and n for no

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Do the 54 answers of "yes" to your one "no" tell you anything? If you're not going to provide water bowls you should at least offer water to your snakes weekly - bare minimum. The fellow below, for instance, doesn't use permanent water sources in his enclosures. He DOES, however, water his snakes up to several times a week. In case you're wondering, he seems to be using a wash bottle for his watering needs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBJ6aBSwnM

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I don't give any of mine water bowls. When they're thirsty they just ask me for a drink. Mine actually prefer Guinness to water. And they can tell when I give them just the draught, they're all about the foreign stout for that extra kick in the ass. Such lovely little beings they are. :)

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Mmmm yes, Guinness Extra Stout. The beer you can bring to 99.9% of parties in the US and not have to worry about other people stealing it haha.

One of my personal faves.

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Originally Posted by John1982

Do the 54 answers of "yes" to your one "no" tell you anything? If you're not going to provide water bowls you should at least offer water to your snakes weekly - bare minimum. The fellow below, for instance, doesn't use permanent water sources in his enclosures. He DOES, however, water his snakes up to several times a week. In case you're wondering, he seems to be using a wash bottle for his watering needs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBJ6aBSwnM

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That was an awesome video! Thanks for sharing.

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Mmmm yes, Guinness Extra Stout. The beer you can bring to 99.9% of parties in the US and not have to worry about other people stealing it haha.

One of my personal faves.

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The snakes steal mine ;p

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The snakes steal mine ;p

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Lmao. That is unlucky. Glad mine doesnt. Drunk retics condas and burms could be dangerous haha.

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Mmmm yes, Guinness Extra Stout. The beer you can bring to 99.9% of parties in the US and not have to worry about other people stealing it haha.

One of my personal faves.

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Guinness is for girls...;)

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Originally Posted by sho220

Guinness is for girls...;)

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Go announce that in Ireland, I dare u haha

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Go announce that in Ireland, I dare u haha

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haha...just poking fun...beer is much too personal of a thing to say one is better than the other...Guiness is fine, but I like the american stuff like Rogue, Troegs, Brooklyn, etc...:salute:

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Guinness is for girls...;)

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Well for a beer it has one of the highest alcohol contents. I mean there is higher out there don't get me wrong, but in this country it's Def up there.

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Well for a beer it has one of the highest alcohol contents. I mean there is higher out there don't get me wrong, but in this country it's Def up there.

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What??? :confusd: Guinness Extra Stout is on par with Budweiser as far as ABV at around 5%...

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Originally Posted by sho220

What??? :confusd: Guinness Extra Stout is on par with Budweiser as far as ABV at around 5%...

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#1 :rage::rage::rage::rage: Don't compare my Stout with the lesser quality beers:rage::rage::rage::rage:
Its only one of a handful that I like and second only to Lowenbrau ;)

#2 Back on topic please. :gj:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

#1 :rage::rage::rage::rage: Don't compare my Stout with the lesser quality beers:rage::rage::rage::rage:
Its only one of a handful that I like and second only to Lowenbrau ;)

#2 Back on topic please. :gj:

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I mentioned nothing about taste. ;) Alcohol content on the other hand is not debatable...Guinness is not a "strong" beer...it tastes strong because of the malt...A strong beer is Dogfish Head's 120 Minute IPA at about 20% ABV...they're 10 bucks a bottle, but only one is needed...:D

Now...back to discussing how lazy one has to be to not provide a water bowl...:)

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What??? :confusd: Guinness Extra Stout is on par with Budweiser as far as ABV at around 5%...

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Guinness Foreign Extra Stout is rated at 7.5%. And I was only comparing it to beer that is most common in the US.

Like I said, there are Def ones with higher content. But not many with better flavor ;)

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Guinness Foreign Extra Stout is rated at 7.5%. And I was only comparing it to beer that is most common in the US.

Like I said, there are Def ones with higher content. But not many with better flavor ;)

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The majority of american beer drinkers couldn't tell a good beer from dirty dishwater...hence the popularity of Bud, etc...

I have no comment on the flavor of Guinness...:D

Now...back to discussing how lazy one has to be to not provide a water bowl...:)[/QUOTE]

How lazy do you have to be??????
It takes a lot more energy to go out and buy rats and even more to raise them!
You do feed your snake....right???

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How lazy do you have to be??????
It takes a lot more energy to go out and buy rats and even more to raise them!
You do feed your snake....right???

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I R confused...:confusd:

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I R confused...:confusd:

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hurt feelings? :tears:

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I AM WEASEL

(Why have beer when you could have hard cider? XD Jk, pass me a Guinness.)

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Originally Posted by whatsherface

I AM WEASEL

(Why have beer when you could have hard cider? XD Jk, pass me a Guinness.)

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I keep seeing that Angry Orchard hard cider on the beer aisle...I'll have to try that sometime...:D

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I keep seeing that Angry Orchard hard cider on the beer aisle...I'll have to try that sometime...:D

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It's not bad! :)

(Just to put my opinion onto the original topic, yes to water bowls.)

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I keep seeing that Angry Orchard hard cider on the beer aisle...I'll have to try that sometime...:D

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It's delicious! Definitely try some :) it has a really nice flavor in my opinion.


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Ten Fidy is my goto imperial stout, Gulden Draak is everything else. If I could get them with any regularity they'd be the only beer I ever drink.

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It's delicious! Definitely try some :) it has a really nice flavor in my opinion.


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OK! OK! You've talked me into it. :D

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Originally Posted by John1982

Ten Fidy is my goto imperial stout, Gulden Draak is everything else. If I could get them with any regularity they'd be the only beer I ever drink.

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Never heard of Ten Fidy...I love Oskar Blues stuff so I'm sure it's good...I'll have to look for that... :)

Gulden Draak is primo...love it...

So...back on topic...has anyone come up with a good reason to not provide a water bowl? :D

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Originally Posted by sho220

Guinness is for girls...;)

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Go announce that in Ireland, I dare u haha

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I am a girl, I am Irish, I like beer, but ewwww...not Guinness.

And why on earth would you not provide a water dish? I've seen all but my gtp drink from their water dish.

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I am a girl, I am Irish, I like beer, but ewwww...not Guiness.

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You're my kind of girl...;)

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You're my kind of girl...;)

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Haha you better what out for Mr.Doolittle! Lol 😜


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Haha you better what out for Mr.Doolittle! Lol 


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So...back on topic...has anyone come up with a good reason to not provide a water bowl? :D

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snakes that are allergic to water?

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I was just asking a question on who does n who doesnt .. u can think what u want of me because I dont keep water bowls in my tubs ..
I used to but then I took them out to see what would happen and everything is still the same

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If someone is a smoker and it took 20 years for them to show signs of lung cancer would that mean it was ok for them to smoke because the cancer didn't hit them earlier?

Not giving them water might look fine but could have bad long term effects.

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

snakes that are allergic to water?

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Now you're on to something...someone who is Aquagenic urticaria...and they don't want to spill it on themselves...

So there's one reason...:D

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If someone is a smoker and it took 20 years for them to show signs of lung cancer would that mean it was ok for them to smoke because the cancer didn't hit them earlier?

Not giving them water might look fine but could have bad long term effects.

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I could see kidney failure being on top of the list of possible long term side effects.

There's really zero reason not to provide water. Our animals are in cages where they cannot actively seek out something when they need it. They depend on us 100% to provide all of their needs.

guys and girls, really, how is this thread not dead?

BPs in nature live in a HUMID ENVIRONMENT. the kind of environment that in the context of for example the vietnam war would be called a GREEN HELL. if it does not rain, which it normally does, a BP would have minimal trouble to find a pond or creek or something.

i see people making wild claims based on the assumption that BPs in the wild do not live in a truly humid environment, and thats just nonsense. where BPs live its so wet and there is so much sunlight that green stuff (like plants) grows like crazy. i think the people claiming that water bowls are not required have NO CLUE how the natural habitat looks like. its humid forests and humid high-growing weeds. its hot. and there are no real seasons the way we know them. the concept of summer, autumn, winter, spring does not apply. its hot and rainy and damp and plants love it. BPs in the wild have access to water, and in captivity we know they do drink.

i dont know why this thread keeps going and has not died yet. BPs in the wild HAVE WATER, so WHY DENY IT IN CAPTIVITY? of course it will cause damage when they cannot get enough water. it causes suffering and organ damage. i wonder how it is even possible that certain people dont get it. again, they live in what some people (soldiers) would consider a GREEN HELL, its humid and plants grow incredibly fast and water is easy to find.

and we do know that BPs do drink. why deny them that natural behavior?

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guys and girls, really, how is this thread not dead?

BPs in nature live in a HUMID ENVIRONMENT. the kind of environment that in the context of for example the vietnam war would be called a GREEN HELL. if it does not rain, which it normally does, a BP would have minimal trouble to find a pond or creek or something.

i see people making wild claims based on the assumption that BPs in the wild do not live in a truly humid environment, and thats just nonsense. where BPs live its so wet and there is so much sunlight that green stuff (like plants) grows like crazy. i think the people claiming that water bowls are not required have NO CLUE how the natural habitat looks like. its humid forests and humid high-growing weeds. its hot. and there are no real seasons the way we know them. the concept of summer, autumn, winter, spring does not apply. its hot and rainy and damp and plants love it. BPs in the wild have access to water, and in captivity we know they do drink.

i dont know why this thread keeps going and has not died yet. BPs in the wild HAVE WATER, so WHY DENY IT IN CAPTIVITY? of course it will cause damage when they cannot get enough water. it causes suffering and organ damage. i wonder how it is even possible that certain people dont get it. again, they live in what some people (soldiers) would consider a GREEN HELL, its humid and plants grow incredibly fast and water is easy to find.

and we do know that BPs do drink. why deny them that natural behavior?

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The most common description of a Ball python's natural habitat is "dry grassland". And I'm pretty sure they have a dry season as well as a wet season. I've watched a few videos of balls being harvested in the wild and don't recall seeing ponds or creeks...:confusd: