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How much you guys think I can get for my enclosure as is? People were saying that it's a good one for an arboreal setup...
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by Rmorse
How much you guys think I can get for my enclosure as is? People were saying that it's a good one for an arboreal setup...
Hard to say. Throw it up on Craigslist with a good picture. Ask $400 for it and see what comes out of the wood work. Even if you get half of that (and I think you can), you're well on your way to a nice Animal Plastics set up like pigfat suggested. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Someone may be want it to put china in it. I think it would be a lot of work to make it an aboreal cage because they would have to seal or cover all the wood....oh and I wouldn't say that its been a snake cage in your craigslist add lol, that may freak potential buyers away.
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by pigfat
oh and I wouldn't say that its been a snake cage in your craigslist add lol, that may freak potential buyers away.
This is an outstanding point that I failed to mention. Thank you to pigfat for covering my 6.
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by Slim
This is an outstanding point that I failed to mention. Thank you to pigfat for covering my 6.
lol no prob!
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Bitter.
Ok, well, in the meantime, I'm going to try and see what I can do about humidity levels and make it a one level enclosure. The one level deal and turning down the heat lamp I can do for under $30. I'll see about getting a plastic enclosure for long term.
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Ok, thread revival.
This came in the mail yesterday:
[IMG]http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/...-50-50_236.jpg[/IMG]
Soooo, now what? :P Do I hook the probe up to the UTH or the heat lamp? And, do I superglue it to the plexi piece that the UTH is on, or can I tape it? Or what? Also, what temp should I set it at?
Next step is making the tank one level. (I know, I know, I said I would do that last weekend, but stuff came up. I'm hoping to work on it this Sunday or Monday (I have off Monday).
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As long as you're working on it its no big deal! Put the thermostat probe on the UTH. If you can get it under the sticky side of the UTH I would do that, but if not, hot glue works pretty good. I would set it at 91ish? The hydrofarms work good "I have used 4 of them" but they can raise and lower by about 3 degrees either way. Do you have a way to see how hot your UTH is? Like a infrared thermometer? If not, maybe a stick on thermometer might work as a last resort lol.
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by pigfat
As long as you're working on it its no big deal! Put the thermostat probe on the UTH. If you can get it under the sticky side of the UTH I would do that, but if not, hot glue works pretty good. I would set it at 91ish? The hydrofarms work good "I have used 4 of them" but they can raise and lower by about 3 degrees either way. Do you have a way to see how hot your UTH is? Like a infrared thermometer? If not, maybe a stick on thermometer might work as a last resort lol.
Nope, no infrared thermometer. Although, I am heading to the NoVa reptile expo on Saturday, so I might see how much one of those guns are. In the meantime, I have a digital thermometer/hydrometer that I bought from walmart last week. I can throw that puppy in her hide for a day, and see what temps it's getting to.
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by Rmorse
Nope, no infrared thermometer. Although, I am heading to the NoVa reptile expo on Saturday, so I might see how much one of those guns are. In the meantime, I have a digital thermometer/hydrometer that I bought from walmart last week. I can throw that puppy in her hide for a day, and see what temps it's getting to.
I would think they would have one at a show. I've seen them for under $40. That may work but I doubt it will get a good reading of the surface temp. I would probably add 2-3 degrees for the actual surface temp. Just keep it below 95 and you'll be fine.
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by Rmorse
I read on the site today that BP's don't like a big enclosure; mine seems to immensely enjoy the space. I need to add a hygrometer, or w/e they're called, since I have no idea the moisture level in the tank.
It is False logic that BP's don't like a big enclosure.
They do like to feel secure. (who dosen't ?)
My BP is quite secure in a 100 gallon tank.
I do keep her in a rather quite room, not much traffic.
and I have a 5 quart heavy glass water dish, this boosts the humidity and tends to stay clean longer than a smaller water dish will.
Harry
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see the thing is YOU love the big inclosure the snake isnt very happy in it im sure, balls live in termite mounds they like small spaces.
if you wanna keep a big setup like that just dont make it tall, the humidity and heat needs to be proper as well.
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I personally don't think that is an appropriate way to keep a ball python. It is not so much space as it is heat, humidity and security requirements. What you take to mean exploring or enjoying the enclosure is a sign of stress. A happy ball python is a hiding ball python. They need to be in an enclosure where they can completely hide from you, they are not display animals. You have already been told what you need to fix, so I won't elaborate.
Your snake could be small because of the amount of calories the poor thing has to burn to get around that enclosure. Ball pythons are very inactive, heavy bodied snakes. They are not built to move, and their metabolisms are not designed for much activity. The most movement your snake should have to do is a short slither between warm and cool hides.
I understand that you like your enclosure, but you are just keeping the wrong animal in it. With a lot of research, you may be able to make that work with some type of arboreal species like a green tree python or emerald tree boa. Those are considered DISPLAY animals. They are not known for being friendly, you don't take them out and hold them. You put them in beautiful elaborate enclosures and admire them. That's not a ball python. A BP is a great snake to take out and hold while you watch TV, but it needs to be hidden away the rest of the time.
I commend you for coming here willing to learn what you need to do for your snake. There are a lot of people who never do and their animals suffer for it. I seriously suggest starting from scratch and getting your snake in a tub with two hides and an under tank heater with a thermostat. It will thank you for it.
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Wait, so you guys just throw down an UTH (with a thermostat) in a tub, and no other heat source?
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by Rmorse
Wait, so you guys just throw down an UTH (with a thermostat) in a tub, and no other heat source?
Pretty much, yes. That's one of the beauties of using tubs. No heat lamp or CHE to kill the humidity. Just use enough holes in the tub to maintain proper humidity levels based on the size of your water bowl and ambient humidity of your snake room.
Tubs - 99 out of 100 Ball Pythons surveyed agree they are the way to go :gj:
Point of order: The UTH or Flexiwatt Heat tape (same concept for both) goes outside the tub, not in a tub.
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by Rmorse
Wait, so you guys just throw down an UTH (with a thermostat) in a tub, and no other heat source?
They use the UTH on the outside bottom of the tub. Tubs hold heat and humidity well. But you will need to keep the room temps over 76f at all times using this method. A UTH will not keep the ambient temps up high enough.
To assist with keeping in the ambient temps an inclosed rack with flexwatt as a UTH will work.
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by jdouglas
But you will need to keep the room temps over 76f at all times using this method.
I have to disagree with this statement. I've had no issues with room temps dropping down to as low as 70 degrees. It's dependent on the size of your UTH and the size of the tub, and how good your T-Stat is at maintaining even heating without big swings in temp.
I ran this system for almost a year with no issues before I switched to racks.
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by Slim
I have to disagree with this statement. I've had no issues with room temps dropping down to as low as 70 degrees. It's dependent on the size of your UTH and the size of the tub, and how good your T-Stat is at maintaining even heating without big swings in temp.
I ran this system for almost a year with no issues before I switched to racks.
I have been corrected. Thank you Slim! Would a proportional be required for this? And how much of the bottom of the tub should be covered?
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by jdouglas
I have been corrected. Thank you Slim! Would a proportional be required for this? And how much of the bottom of the tub should be covered?
Not trying to correct you, we all have different experiences with our set-ups. I'm sure you've had success with things I could never make work.
I was using a proportional at the time (several in fact) and I think that was the key to the even heating with out big temp drops. I had good luck with a UTH that was 25% or so the size of the tub. I also use paper substrate, so I think that helped with the heat transfer. I think I should also mention that these were not full size adult tubs. I was using Iris MCB-M's at the time.
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Re: 2,5 years later, finally seeing if I'm doing ok. Setup and shedding questions.
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Originally Posted by Slim
Not trying to correct you, we all have different experiences with our set-ups. I'm sure you've had success with things I could never make work.
I was using a proportional at the time (several in fact) and I think that was the key to the even heating with out big temp drops. I had good luck with a UTH that was 25% or so the size of the tub. I also use paper substrate, so I think that helped with the heat transfer. I think I should also mention that these were not full size adult tubs. I was using Iris MCB-M's at the time.
I was glad you corrected me. I would prefer to be corrected than to give out misinformation.
I work with computer networks all day and it's nice to have my work corrected, reviewed, criticized, because I believe that's the best way to learn.
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