I Want a Big Snake!

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Originally Posted by Muddyredneck

this is seriously scarey, does your friend realise that if the snake where to attack him he wouldent have time to pull the 45? it would coil him long before the thought ever crossed his mind. now i say this having lemon juice and a pocket knife within arms reach when i have out my giant but seriously a .45? sounds to me like an excuse to hold a gun especially when any alchohol or lemon juice or god forbid that didnt work a knife would do just fine and not have the publicity of "man attacked by 17ft pet snake, resulting in hail of gunfire and endangerment of loved ones"

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lol so he wouldnt be able to reach his side arm but you can get to your pocket knife? And I know what his MOS was in the army and can assure you its not just a BS excuse to have a gun. But then again had you actually read the entire thread instead of just skimming and attacking 1 point of my post you would have seen were he responded himself. he says he also takes in several other items. I find it funny that every one attacks my because I said he takes in a side arm for a LAST RESORT and compleatly ignores the good advice I gave. Even some one who just admited he goes in armed is going to attempt to attack me. That is funny. I try to give some one some advise and Im attacked. So much for "the friendliest online community".

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

That is funny. I try to give some one some advise and Im attacked. So much for "the friendliest online community".

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Amen... i love this forum.... but there are a lot of rediculous insults and such to people reachin out for help. I think if we all lived under the same roof, we could all get along... but the power of not knowing who our little fingers type to seems to give us the power of insulting. Sad.

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Originally Posted by Muddyredneck

this is great advice, the only thing i would have changed is when talking about retics u really cant let a babys mood define wether it comes out or it will remmmember that and be even harder to handle as an adult, in most cases however a cbb baby wont have these problems and as long as you hold it enough as a baby it shouldent have any problems (shed mood aside) when its an adult

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Good point about the baby handling, don't reinforce their behavior by letting them scare you off. I mean't when they get older but didn't specify.

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Originally Posted by Muddyredneck

this is great advice, the only thing i would have changed is when talking about retics u really cant let a babys mood define wether it comes out or it will remmmember that and be even harder to handle as an adult, in most cases however a cbb baby wont have these problems and as long as you hold it enough as a baby it shouldent have any problems (shed mood aside) when its an adult



this is seriously scarey, does your friend realise that if the snake where to attack him he wouldent have time to pull the 45? it would coil him long before the thought ever crossed his mind. now i say this having lemon juice and a pocket knife within arms reach when i have out my giant but seriously a .45? sounds to me like an excuse to hold a gun especially when any alchohol or lemon juice or god forbid that didnt work a knife would do just fine and not have the publicity of "man attacked by 17ft pet snake, resulting in hail of gunfire and endangerment of loved ones"

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Lol..LOl....LOL....LOL......So what you are saying is if this snake, my snake once again I am said OWNER OF THE SNAKE WAS TO GET ME THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO PULL THE GUN BUT MY KNIFE...Ok so the nine years I spent in the military didn't give me enough time to carry a gun so now I have a reason i own a large snake, and b/c of this i can carry a gun LMAO, WTF. I have never heard this before thats a new one. I guess in your defense you didn't read what I posted above about the other precautions set in place by me in order to work with this snake.

You should go a read that, then drop your 2 cents worth, before coming to me and telling me to carry lemon juice and a Knife.... OMG, So funny, Thanks though I needed the laugh.
I guess maybe I could pull a knife faster, but according your realization of the facts, I won't have enough time to pull my gun, because she is so fast, but I could a knife and some lemon juice. once again WTF. How do you even admit to such a stupid comment.......I'm sorry I'm not calling you stupid but come on.... I did forget to mention she does not come out unless I have PEOPLE there to help me NOT PERSON, but PEOPLE.....Once again read my last posting then come back at me with a lemon juice and knife comment.

Have you ever heard don't be the fool who brings a knife to a gun fight, but in regards to that you would be faster than the bullet

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Originally Posted by Jadonh

Lol..LOl....LOL....LOL......So what you are saying is if this snake, my snake once again I am said OWNER OF THE SNAKE WAS TO GET ME THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO PULL THE GUN BUT MY KNIFE...Ok so the nine years I spent in the military didn't give me enough time to carry a gun so now I have a reason i own a large snake, and b/c of this i can carry a gun LMAO, WTF. I have never heard this before thats a new one. I guess in your defense you didn't read what I posted above about the other precautions set in place by me in order to work with this snake.

You should go a read that, then drop your 2 cents worth, before coming to me and telling me to carry lemon juice and a Knife.... OMG, So funny, Thanks though I needed the laugh.







Once again thanx Jake. I am not trying be little anyone, but as stated above in another posting please read it all before you attack or decide you know it all, every snake is different and with the 8 retics, my brume and a fw other snakes, not all of them require the gun only her. I also stated that I use her in show with children as an educational tool ( i don't carry my gun ), And I do not allow access to touching her. Just there for show. Now please wad all postings all the way through, please then come to me and give your 2 cents worth. You do not know what this snake has been through and the true nature of her mentality. Then come to me and tell me what to do, or rather your advise, after all this is based on experience NOT MY FIRST TIME AROUND THE BLOCK.
Also if you read in another posting I typer earlier above, A giant snake isn't for him but if he wants a retic or brume there are dwarf versions of these.
I guess maybe I could pull a knife faster, but according your realization of the facts, I won't have enough time to pull my gun, because she is so fast, but I could a knife and some lemon juice. once again WTF. How do you even admit to such a stupid comment.......I'm sorry I'm not calling you stupid but come on.... I did forget to mention she does not come out unless I have PEOPLE there to help me NOT PERSON, but PEOPLE.....Once again read my last posting then come back at me with a lemon juice and knife comment.

Have you ever heard don't be the fool who brings a knife to a gun fight, but in regards to that you would be faster than the bullet

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These animals are pure muscle, and the strongest human being in the world could not beat the strength of these animals. They deserve respect, and as long as you are not stupid and think they care for you or love you and would never hurt you then you should be just fine.

There wouldnt be much anyone could do if a huge snake got someone in a fully commited coil. They bite, wrap, move you, and wrap more all in under 5 seconds. I watched a show measureing the squeeze force of a green anaconda, it was squeezing at 90lbs per sq. inch for a solid 15 minutes. They calculated that out to the equavalent of a bus sitting on your chest. Unless the weapon is already drawn and your ready, i doubt its gonna do any good. These snakes are ambush predators. They wait so you arent paying attention to them. Not that there out to get you but if they decide to, nobody would know it till it happened. Multiple people is the only way to help the situation or make sure the snake isnt present period.

i dont think there is a single person on this site that doesnt care for their snakes. people arent being "friendly" because of the inexperienced people keeping animals that can kill them not fully understanding this. the mistakes they make affect us all. all the stupid people who think they have real control of these animals should NOT keep them. this is where we all as keepers get a bad rep. someone will get hurt or killed because the snake is "deadly". well no S#1T!!! if you have doubts about keeping such an animal then DONT!!!

find someone to intern with before. offer cage cleaning, feeding, mopping or what ever it takes to get hands on experience.

you are, knowingly or not, representing ALL of us when you do this. get hurt doing something stupid means i cant keep my tiny ball python. but showing the world you are committed to the health and education of these creatures means that we are moving forward in educating ourselves as well as the public about this misunderstood animals.

dont eff it up for the rest of us by being an idiot and thinking you know what you dont. show everyone that you are smart enough to admit you dont know everything but are willing to learn.

good luck

Well put sir.

I never said I new it all, I do believe I stated that I still ask questions, I don't know it all but I do know that I have never been questioned about my husbandry questions. The remark was made to be an educational point of view, letting this person know that there are precautions you have to take before acquiring a large snake any large snake. I do believe that if I didn't know what I was doing or it was at least in question then I wouldn't be asked by the local humane society as well as police and rescue, or a rescue group here in Colorado to take charge of these animals and give them a home.

I respect all your answers and I do agree if something is being done that will get you hurt or killed then fine do what you think is right, but do not let the rest of us look bad. Once again the statement wasn't made to look like I'm an idiot, but made to make a point. That these snakes are not for everyone. I have tons of respect for these animals, and its one reason why I didn't let her get put down. I took her in and i have been working with her, to make a point that over time they can be worked with and not really trained or trusted, but allowed to live out a life that they were brought into by humans, in captivity not in the wild. SHe is a large snake, she is related to fluffy and she is gorgeous but i don't trust her completely, Hell I know ppl who I don't trust completely should we put them down also. No, I know I know human being are humans, What ever that means. I also realize that she could get a hold of me and there is nothing i could do about. I don't take the gun with me to just have it is there for protection.... A just in case. Same as the listerine, my tongs, hook, and poke stick, Her built in hide into the tank with a sliding glass door, as well as ppl I ask to come help. I have no children, and when i use her in educational shows she, is in a reinforced dog kennel that is locked and pad locked for their as well as her safety.


Once again, I don't know it all, But I hate being insulted and more or less being called stupid, and insulted saying i don't know what I'm doing. I will ask questions when i need to. I will do my part to make sure none of us look stupid or bad owners. I have more retics and brumes and treat them all the same, I still have the gun with me its, a precaution, maybe a way to feel moor comfortable, But i will be damned if I will be told that I have a large snake to just carry a gun, an excuse to have a gun. I live in the middle of no where in colorado. I can cary a gun for that reason, 9 years in the army, I carried a gun, I was in bosnia, kosovo, afghanistan and Iraq, Where I was injured. That there is reason enough for me to carry a gun, but I don't I have owned this gun and no others for 10 years It has ben shot twice, both times in afghanistan.

Please have a little more respect, for everyone on here and if your point of vie insults some one then keep your mouth shut. I am deeply offended by this and think that the subject is now dead.



To the original starter of this thread, as stated above do your research, do you homework, be trained by someone who owns a large snake. then decide if its what you want. If interested in the retics or burms but don't want a huge one, then go with the dwarf versions of either of these. there are super dwarf retics also, same snake, same temp. same attitude, same feeding frenzy, Less size, a smaller package......Good luck to you and I hope it all works out, and you find what you are looking for as well as are well versed in it before you set out on the adventure.


To everyone else, good luck to you as well, and I hope i didn't offend anyone here. I wasn't trying to do that, but I was trying to make a point that before you add your 2 cents read posting above yours, then put your part in

haha hey stupid and stupider.. yeah your funny, and idc if you where in the army for 100 years and became super secret agent man, you obviously have no idea of the strength these creatures have or youd understand.. tie your arm to your waist and see how u shoot.. u think because you shoot it its gonna say sorry im done? no.. they dont stop squeezing until theyve been dead for a few hours.. a knife will cut (if nessesary) a 15 foot snake into a 7 foot snake.. lets see where that bullet gets you, had u said pocket knife no one would have said a thing but since you wanna be a funny guy ill be the first to call u out and say how sorry i feel for any animal in your possession.. and as of the lemon juice comment? you ask any knowledgeable snake keeper be it a boa or monster keeper and they will tell u the same thing.. anything with a bad taste like whisky or lemon juice breaks the feeding responce and makes them let go.. not shooting needless holes in an animal and possibly yourself.. so 007 do me a favor read up.. grow up.. and then talk to me

to op.. in all reality both the knife and gun are bad ideas and you should always follow the 6 or 8 foot rule to never need to be into this situation but in the case youd find yourself in one any strong liquid or cold water even works

/and end rebuttle/rant thank you and have a fantastic day

It sounds more like you guys take things in with you just to feel secure even though it wont do much. In the end, if a snake that big does a fully dedicated coil, its taking you to the ground and you wont be able to reach for anything period. Somebody in the room with you is the only way to help the situation by calling emergency services and doing anything neccessary to get the snake off. Lets all stop the bickering and agree we all have are own ways to feel secure when dealing with these large constrictors.

i couldent agree with you more snake, and since i didnt have time to edit my previous post i appolagize for my insults i simply got aggitated is all, when it boils down to it niether a knife or gun would do any good, a liquid like i suggested or a friend would be the best course of action.

I feel sorry for the fellow who started this post. I came in to read it looking for advice for myself on large snakes - I didn't expect it to turn into a childish argument. Guys, if you must throw insults at each other, at least take it to private messaging...or start your own post where you can argue to your heart's content. This is supposed to be the friendliest online forum, remember? It seems to me that if you don't have something to contribute to the original poster's questions, maybe you shouldn't be posting in the thread.

I do not own big snakes, but I do not see anything wrong with keeping a knife, gun, or whatever handy just in case. I love my snakes, but I am not willing to let them kill me. If a knife, gun, or whatever does the trick, then that's what I would use.

BTW, to the owner of the large retic that has a gun handy, don't be offended. Many people love to shoot off their mouths on the net, but most of them would never do so in person. I guess the keyboard gives them confidence...

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Originally Posted by Muddyredneck

haha hey stupid and stupider.. yeah your funny, and idc if you where in the army for 100 years and became super secret agent man, you obviously have no idea of the strength these creatures have or youd understand.. tie your arm to your waist and see how u shoot.. u think because you shoot it its gonna say sorry im done? no.. they dont stop squeezing until theyve been dead for a few hours.. a knife will cut (if nessesary) a 15 foot snake into a 7 foot snake.. lets see where that bullet gets you, had u said pocket knife no one would have said a thing but since you wanna be a funny guy ill be the first to call u out and say how sorry i feel for any animal in your possession.. and as of the lemon juice comment? you ask any knowledgeable snake keeper be it a boa or monster keeper and they will tell u the same thing.. anything with a bad taste like whisky or lemon juice breaks the feeding responce and makes them let go.. not shooting needless holes in an animal and possibly yourself.. so 007 do me a favor read up.. grow up.. and then talk to me

to op.. in all reality both the knife and gun are bad ideas and you should always follow the 6 or 8 foot rule to never need to be into this situation but in the case youd find yourself in one any strong liquid or cold water even works

/and end rebuttle/rant thank you and have a fantastic day

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Ok first off I didn't insult you by calling you names..I simply stated that the comment that was made that it would be easier to grab a knife or lemon juice, than a gun. Thats what I said was stupid how you could believe you can grab either one of those faster. if they are in your pocket or attached to your side.
Second, As I previously stated in past postings, I have other things that are taking into consideration first, like the listerine. Now you stated you ask anyone and they will tell you to use lemon juice, thats fine, cold water, lemon juice, or listerine. I agree with you on this as stated I was simply questioning the comment of getting to them faster. If I read into the comment to much then I apologize.
Third off, I do understand the power of these animals, and maybe the gun is a "make me feel better option" but its mine you choose a knife I choose a gun.
I did take offence to the "it sounds like an excuse to carry the gun comment" I simply stated, REGARDLESS of occupation in the military I had more than enough time to carry a gun. As I stated i live in the middle of no where, that in itself would give me an excuse to carry the gun. I also carry a concealed weapons license and can carry the gun, I choose not to. I stated that I only have the gun, as an extra precaution. The original precaution was for my protection, against people who wanna break into my house,car, etc..etc.. I didn't buy the gun for the snake.
Fourth, You insulted me by calling me stupid and without sinking to your maturity level, I will not say the same, but it goes to prove in my last posting that instead of skimming someones last post read the whole thing then, come at them with your opinion, and state it as an opinion. I do apologize if I came on as stating that I knew it all, but once again I don't. I am hoping that you have read this whole reply instead of skimming over it, As it seems you did before.

Fifth, I am not trying to start any arguments, as stated by a previous poster this is supposed to be the friendliest reptile community online. YetI haven't seen it. I do feel sorry for the original poster, that started this thread as he was trying to get info, BASED ON OPINIONs from those of us, who have been doing this awhile, whether it be you, me or someone else.
I do also agree that either way we all have our own ways of handling our snakes, I handle all my retics and brumes with the same caution, I do not put a lot of trust in them, But I do use all of them in educational shows and some I know will be better behaved than others and there are precautions set forth by this.

I apologize once again to anyone I offended, And now Its the end of the rebuttle/rant Thank you and you have a fantastic day.

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Originally Posted by SnakeKB

Red tail boas can get big but they grow pretty slow. Both mine are roughly 3 years old and the male is 5ft and the female is 6ft. It's probably going to take another couple years to reach 8ft. The yellow anaconda seems to be growing faster than the red tails at least for now. They require gentle handling as a baby to be a calm snake. I love my anaconda but the only thing I hate is I have to clean it's cage everyday. They go to the bathroom daily unlike red tails or the pythons. Luckily mine has been pretty good at not going to the bathroom in his water bowl. He seems to always get out when he has to go. But I always give fresh water to him daily or every other day.

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I find it easier when my snakes go in there water bowl. My false water cobra practically lives in his water bowl so thats where he basically goes to the bathroom. So instead of spot cleaning and replacing substrate all I have to do is change his water and clean the bowl. I keep some of my corns in racks with pvc couplers and deli cups for water bowls so when they go in there water bowl thats real easy to clean.

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Originally Posted by nor_cal1980

I find it easier when my snakes go in there water bowl. My false water cobra practically lives in his water bowl so thats where he basically goes to the bathroom. So instead of spot cleaning and replacing substrate all I have to do is change his water and clean the bowl. I keep some of my corns in racks with pvc couplers and deli cups for water bowls so when they go in there water bowl thats real easy to clean.

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I agree 100%, I'd much rather dump and wash out the water bowl than clean up poop in random places throughout the cage.