Do you believe in Ghosts?

I believe in ghosts and also in trolls.. My opinion is to never feed either.

sent from my EVO

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Originally Posted by Egapal

You have incredibly low standards of evidence. You did not see a ghost. I can say what with as much certainty as I can say there are no leprechauns. What is more likely? That you saw a ghost or that someone was messing with you? You have absolutely no idea what you actually saw because fear got the better of you and prevented you from investigating further. No where in that story did you rule out someone messing with you. Since that's far more likely than ghosts I and you should assume that until you get further evidence.

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You have incredibly low standards of understanding what you read. Where in my story did I say "I saw a ghost"? I mentioned it to be a "figure of a lady" you ASSumed I meant "ghost". Also the question on the title to this thread was "do you believe in ghost" I answered and gave the reason of why I do now. I did not post it to "prove" there are ghost so why would I need evidence?

You keep trying to tell people their stories are not true but unless you were there at the exact time you have no grounds to speak what you believe happened. Do you not think I asked myself the very question if someone could have been messing with us? Obviously from someone who did not believe in ghost before I asked myself tons of questions that night. As for which is more "likely" that night I wouls say seeing a ghost was. The cemetary I was at was out in the middle of nowhere one single road coming in and out and on road on the front side. There were corn fields 5 miles on each side and spanning about 4 miles behind it till there was another dirt road. So let me see, was it more likely a lady was at the cemetary for about 1 hour and then decided to come out and say nothing? Or was it something more?

You can "believe" what you want and tell yourself what you want.
Thank you for letting me know your perspective of my encounter.

oh crap, another Egapal:no:- Mrs brisby

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Originally Posted by cmack91

oh crap, another Egapal:no:- Mrs brisby

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Yeah, nice over generalization there while completely ignoring the merits of what he and I have said.

*golfclap*

Well, to move on past the war going on.

I, personally, do believe in ghosts. I've had seperate experience with two of them, in different locations, on opposite sides of the world.

A few years ago, I was in the navy. The first ship I was stationed on was the USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62), and I was an engineer on it.

One of the spaces that my division was responsible for was Auxiliary Room 2 (Aux 2 for short), which contained some of our equipment. Every single engineer on the ship knew of the weird stuff going on down there.

When doing watch rounds at night, I would often see shadows in places that they didn't belong. Cold spots when the space itself was 95 degrees. Soft whispers when no one else was in the space with me, and there was nothing around for anyone to hide behind without being seen.

Even the new people who hadn't been told yet of the ghost down there would notice that the space was weird and would hear voices.

A worker when the ship was built was accidentally crushed when they were lowering an A/C into place.

I am not making up my own experiences, and of the 60 other engineers on the ship, a good 3/4 of them had their own. Many before they even knew there was a ghost down there.



My other experience was less than a year ago. I'm now a security guard, and the last building I was posted at had two 'official' floors, and an unofficial one called the Pipe Space, which was between the other two and had a lot of equipment, plus supports for the floor above. Again, it was my job to walk through it to check on it on my rounds. Because of the layout, it was VERY easy to see if there were other people in it.

Voices calling my name and tugging on my belt loops, when there were no other people around and my radio was silent.

My supervisor and the other guard had similar experiences, also while alone.

Again, I'm not asking you to believe yourselves, just that I have had my own experiences that ensure I do believe that they exist.

However, I also do believe that whether they are friendly or not is an individual basis. Like the old legends of the dog ghosts from Great Britian (look them up, I find them fascinating), some are malevolent, some are neutral, and some are even benevolent and helpful.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Brisby

Yeah, nice over generalization there while completely ignoring the merits of what he and I have said.

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well see, thats the problem, you guys cant just say your personal opinion in your own post. you go around replying to everyones posts arguing with them, like its so important you prove a point. this thread is about YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ON THE SUBJECT, NOT YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT EVERYONES OPINIONS. man i feel bad for people that are so insecure, they have to put other people down to feel good about themselves:fishslap:

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Originally Posted by Monster Dodge

I was watching this show the other night (Ghost Hunters). They do expeditions at supposed haunted places. They take video, do voice recordings, etc...
I just cant believe in it. I think people see and hear what they want to.
Same goes for movies like Paranormal Activity. I dont believe in Demons or people who's bodies become overtaken by demons. I think they are either A.) mentally unstable or B.) doing it for attention.

Until I actually physically witness a full floating vapour apparition or some chicks head completely spin around..... sorry I ain't buyin it:no:

I have been to supposed haunted assylums, houses, graveyards, and restaraunts and I saw nor felt nothing. Pictures were taken, orbs were captured on film....lol Cold spots were recorded, and noises were heard, but at no time did I physically see or feel anything.

So I'd like to get anyones take on it if they believe or do not believe and why:gj:

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With out going through the whole thread. I have been a fan of Ghost Hunters and Ghost Hunters International on SyFy since Season 1. I always try to explain to people that think its all a show, but to no avail.

I for one don't believe in spirits of humans or animals roaming (ghost), how ever I do believe in certin things taking on energy. Being a Christian "Ghost" isn't biblical. How ever I do believe in spirits... Demonic, Angelical, Holy Spirit, and Lucifer.

I study demonology because of a ministry I am heavily involved in. I am also a psychologist. Everything I have learned in psychology points away from demonic possesion.I believe in a mix of both mental illness as well as the latter... Some people I fully believe needs medication, however I have seen demons driven out of people and the person live a happy healthy mental life.

Now the things with Ghost Hunters and I why I support TAPS like I do and have even gathered a team of my own to do they same. They are not nessacerly going in to prove that a place is haunted. none of there equipment was devaloped for the sake of doing what they do. However they (we) study therorys around what can happen happen with the equipment. Only about 8% of there investigations have truely brought upon something. Most of the time they find a natural explanation. Such EMF (Electro Magnatic Fields)... Those people that are sinsative, or allergic to EMFs will have a since of someone watching them, hulucinations, sick to your stomachs and headaches, and in all a creepy feeling. There was one time they where investigating at a house, where the cold water in the bathroom would come on by its self, turns out the water pressure was the cause. The kid in the house desciribed seeing ghost that where just like Disney charictors that where depicted in her room. I do believe in what they do find when they do find it. I just disagree with what they claim it is.

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Originally Posted by cmack91

well see, thats the problem, you guys cant just say your personal opinion in your own post. you go around replying to everyones posts arguing with them, like its so important you prove a point. this thread is about YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ON THE SUBJECT, NOT YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT EVERYONES OPINIONS. man i feel bad for people that are so insecure, they have to put other people down to feel good about themselves:fishslap:

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1. I didn't reply to everyone's post. I only replied once to a single point in Maddumplings post, whom had made an incorrect claim about the scientific process, I replied in an attempt to correct it to prevent the spread of misinformation in a public forum.

2. Incorrect information is not an opinion. 1+1=3 is not an opinion. Correcting a claim that 1+1=3 is also not an opinion.

3. You made a reply calling me "Another Egapal" with a negative emoticon tagged with it, implying disagreement. I simply replied to say that you were over generalizing, by comparing me to someone else, and that you made absolutely no comment on the merits of anything I've said.

4. You reply yet again, not addressing the merits of anything I have said. You attack me by a. making allegations as to the motives of my actions, b. accuse me of trying to put other people down, and c. make assumptions as to my mental state. ( i.e. insecure )

Ad hominem attacks are a rather uncouth logical fallacy. I am not an insecure person, if I were perhaps I wouldn't have the self esteem to stand up to someone trying to insult me.

Also, I generally don't put people down. I happen to like people, however just because you disagree with something I say, doesn't mean you can claim ownership over my motivation for saying it. If you allow yourself to be offended at something, then that's a problem within yourself.

You don't have to agree with anything I say, people have the right to be wrong. But don't cross the line by attacking me again, or I'll report you to a moderator. If you wish to discuss the merits of what I've said, or have any questions I'd be happy to answer them as clearly and concisely as I'm able.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Brisby

1. I didn't reply to everyone's post. I only replied once to a single point in Maddumplings post, whom had made an incorrect claim about the scientific process, I replied in an attempt to correct it to prevent the spread of misinformation in a public forum.

2. Incorrect information is not an opinion. 1+1=3 is not an opinion. Correcting a claim that 1+1=3 is also not an opinion.

3. You made a reply calling me "Another Egapal" with a negative emoticon tagged with it, implying disagreement. I simply replied to say that you were over generalizing, by comparing me to someone else, and that you made absolutely no comment on the merits of anything I've said.

4. You reply yet again, not addressing the merits of anything I have said. You attack me by a. making allegations as to the motives of my actions, b. accuse me of trying to put other people down, and c. make assumptions as to my mental state. ( i.e. insecure )

Ad hominem attacks are a rather uncouth logical fallacy. I am not an insecure person, if I were perhaps I wouldn't have the self esteem to stand up to someone trying to insult me.

Also, I generally don't put people down. I happen to like people, however just because you disagree with something I say, doesn't mean you can claim ownership over my motivation for saying it. If you allow yourself to be offended at something, then that's a problem within yourself.

You don't have to agree with anything I say, people have the right to be wrong. But don't cross the line by attacking me again, or I'll report you to a moderator. If you wish to discuss the merits of what I've said, or have any questions I'd be happy to answer them as clearly and concisely as I'm able.

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look, im just trying to get people to realize that this thread isnt a debate team, if you see someone that is providing an "incorrect claim about the scientific process", maybe you should think, that maybe, the scientific process, in their opinion, is bs. or it is missing something, or doesnt prove anything, just let them believe what their going to believe. for EXAMPLE: your not going to tell someone that their wrong in believing in God, because there is no "scientific proof" that he exsists, just because they leave "God bless" at the end of their post.

I had some experiences before I was a teenager, but nothing in almost the last 4 decades until yesterday. I definitely had an experience worth sharing. I was showing a commercial building to a large group of people midday. The building was completely lit and there were no less than 30 people milling around looking. A gentleman and I were standing apart on opposite sides of a 6 ft wide hallway and next to the door leading into a room just talking, when a small child ran between us and into the room. The other guy standing right next to the door leaned and poked his head into the room to tell the child to slow down but suddenly had a puzzled look on his face. He turned to me and said, "did you see that." I said, "the kid that just ran in there? Yeah." He said, "where'd he go?" I poked my head in the door and there was noone there. We are talking about a room that is about is about 12 X 15 with a conference table and some chairs. We both walked in the room looking around as if there was somewhere we could not see, but that was not the case. There simply was no child. Had it been only me I would have probably talked myself out of it. But he saw it too and reacted first. We just sat there asking eachother if that really just happened? Make of it what you will, but since it was a shared experience I am convinced I saw something I can't explain.

So a thread about ghosts that's 2 years old get resurrected. How fitting.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

So a thread about ghosts that's 2 years old get resurrected. How fitting.

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LOL, Yeah I geuss you could look at it that way. I was going to start a new thread but found this one instead.

My Ouija board tells me that they exist....

The ghost show no. But I do believe in ghost because I saw one on even when I was fishing a full body appear in front of me about 20 yard made my hair stand up and heard other people talked about it.

If ghosts were real, why do they only come out at night, or in the dark?
They must be sleeping during the day then, right?

Haunted "places" are not scary during the day.
The reason people think they see or hear ghosts is because in the dark we have a natural fear of the unknown.
You hear noises and don't understand where they come from - must be a ghost.
You see something out of the corner of your eye - must be a ghost.
You see a dark shadow - must be a ghost.

It's the same reason Man created god - fear of the unknown.

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Originally Posted by Tzeentch

If ghosts were real, why do they only come out at night, or in the dark?
They must be sleeping during the day then, right?

Haunted "places" are not scary during the day.
The reason people think they see or hear ghosts is because in the dark we have a natural fear of the unknown.
You hear noises and don't understand where they come from - must be a ghost.
You see something out of the corner of your eye - must be a ghost.
You see a dark shadow - must be a ghost.

It's the same reason Man created god - fear of the unknown.

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Some spend some time in my house. doesn't matter night or day. It's scarier in the day time cause that's the time you're supposed to not be hearing things. Nothing like hearing doors slam at 10:30 in the am or hearing talking in the back of the house.

My house was built in 1901.
I have heard and seen things, my pets have heard and seen things, anyone that has spent any amount of time thee has heard and seen things. Day or night, doesn't matter.
Is it "ghost" I have no idea.

Telling people what you have seen or heard is like telling people your dreams. It just doesn't come across the same.

Things have moved, lights on and off, voices, whistles, loud slams, doorbells, things have fell or moved it ways i cant explain, TVs and DVD players off and on, my dog has chased down things that were not there. It might not be a "ghost" as we know it but I do think its an energy.

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Originally Posted by Tzeentch

If ghosts were real, why do they only come out at night, or in the dark?
They must be sleeping during the day then, right?

Haunted "places" are not scary during the day.
The reason people think they see or hear ghosts is because in the dark we have a natural fear of the unknown.
You hear noises and don't understand where they come from - must be a ghost.
You see something out of the corner of your eye - must be a ghost.
You see a dark shadow - must be a ghost.

It's the same reason Man created god - fear of the unknown.

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If you read my post you would have seen that it occurred about 1:00 in the afternoon in broad daylight. It was in a well lit building that had daylight streaming though the windows and lights ion in the darker rooms, with 30+ people running around. Nothing scary or dark, just wierd.

I guess it depends on what you consider a "ghost"

I have seen a full body apparition, I was watching a movie with my family when I saw something move out of the corner of my eye. I looked over to the hallway and saw a figure (it was almost like it was made of white and red fog but in the shape of a person) walk into the kitchen.

Another time in the same house I was the only one awake and was laying on the couch with my sleeping sister and my dog. Only one light was on and the t.v. was off. I started hearing things getting moved on the counter in the kitchen. Then I heard a voice, it was super creepy because it sounded like a 3-5 year old girl and she said "Momma, what time is it?" My dog instantly looked at the kitchen, got up and walked calmly in. And as soon as she did all the noise stopped.

Then there have been little things, the feeling that there is something there, doors opening and closing when I was home alone. And other family has had things happen or seen/heard things in the house they can't explain.

My cousins house a few doors down is also believed to be haunted. Figures walking across the yard on the security camera but no one is out there, old music playing at odd times, and the ghost that will tickle your feet if you lay with them dangling off the bed.


So do I believe in ghosts? Yes.

OK I'll bite since you guys have brought this thing back to life.

If you define ghost as the spirit of a dead person hanging around the living world, I do not believe in ghosts.

As a Christian, I believe when you die, you go straight to where you chose to go. There is no limbo or purgatory or any kind of waiting spot. However, this doesn't mean what people are seeing as "ghosts" aren't real. I think these are one of two things.

1) What paranormal folks call a "Residual Haunt." Basically, you see something that has already happened being played out before you.
2) Demons taking on the form of "ghost" or other entity. Demons are quite powerful and it's their job to persuade/prevent as many people as possible from following God. So pretending to be something that God says doesn't exist would play right into that agenda.

That's my 2 cents on it.

no ghosts, just fallable human brains that have evolved to detect and respond to patterns even if there is nothing actually there. Think of a rustle in the bush, better to think it is a tiger and respond accordingly and be wrong (type 1 error) than it is to think it is nothing and not respond and get eaten by a tiger (type 2 error). Thank evolution and your liimbic system! But have as much fun with scaring yourself as you want. Cheers

I think it is interesting that there are people here that need everything to be simple and neat so they can sleep comfortably at night. They probable don't use the words astonishing, amazing , or unbelievable very often. To me that seems boring, but that is me.

The word Ghost is nothing more than a label that has been given to describe things such as apparitions, materializations, unexplained phenomenon. What a ghost is, is really wide open for debate. But to say that the experience is always internal is a stretch. To dismiss any experience as a limbiic response is perhaps oversimplifying the matter.

The same can be said of UFO's. A UFO is an unidentified flying object. What the object is, is a matter of debate. And if it is identified, then it is no longer a UFO. In fact if it where to be truely identified as a space craft from anothe race in another part of the galaxy far far away, it would still no longer be a UFO. But a flying object that cannot be indentified is a UFO and therefore UFO's do exist.

I saw something the other day. It was also seen by another person standing opposite of me. So our points of view, lighting and shadowing, perspectives, where all in stark contrast to one another. Dare I say they were 180 degrees or polar opposites. And yet our experience was common. Liimbic system trickery? Mmmm I'm thinking not so much. Ghost? It depends on what you believe the term to describe.

I wasn't scared either way and I am not so sure how much fun it was. It was however, astonishing and thought provoking.

Not what exactly what I said but that's okay. UFOs are actaully a good example. There are UFOs and once they become identified they are not longer UFOs. What doesn't hold though is to say that because it is a UFO means that it was aliens from another planet that traveled for eons to probe someone and leave no evidence. Same thing applies to things that happend that we cannot explain, such as the house mentioned above built in 1901. There could be many explanations for the events but just because we don't know exactly what happened does not mean that it is a ghost/appirition/materialization (from what is completely separate) or whatever suits ones fancy. You have to ask yourself, what is more likely, that my demonstrably fallible brain made a mistake or the laws of physics have been suspended for this event to occur? I recommend reading Carl Sagan's Science as a Candle in the Dark.

What I did say is that it is possible that benign external stimuli has the potential to be interpreted by our brain that is very good at imposing patterns even when there is not pattern there. That point is not controversial, open any general psychology book and you can have lots of examples that anybody can replicate and draw conclusions from.

I would just like to encourage healthy skepticism.

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Not what exactly what I said but that's okay. UFOs are actaully a good example. There are UFOs and once they become identified they are not longer UFOs. What doesn't hold though is to say that because it is a UFO means that it was aliens from another planet that traveled for eons to probe someone and leave no evidence. Same thing applies to things that happend that we cannot explain, such as the house mentioned above built in 1901. There could be many explanations for the events but just because we don't know exactly what happened does not mean that it is a ghost/appirition/materialization (from what is completely separate) or whatever suits ones fancy. You have to ask yourself, what is more likely, that my demonstrably fallible brain made a mistake or the laws of physics have been suspended for this event to occur? I recommend reading Carl Sagan's Science as a Candle in the Dark.

What I did say is that it is possible that benign external stimuli has the potential to be interpreted by our brain that is very good at imposing patterns even when there is not pattern there. That point is not controversial, open any general psychology book and you can have lots of examples that anybody can replicate and draw conclusions from.

I would just like to encourage healthy skepticism.

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Originally Posted by ewaldrep

Not what exactly what I said but that's okay. UFOs are actaully a good example. There are UFOs and once they become identified they are not longer UFOs. What doesn't hold though is to say that because it is a UFO means that it was aliens from another planet that traveled for eons to probe someone and leave no evidence. Same thing applies to things that happend that we cannot explain, such as the house mentioned above built in 1901. There could be many explanations for the events but just because we don't know exactly what happened does not mean that it is a ghost/appirition/materialization (from what is completely separate) or whatever suits ones fancy. You have to ask yourself, what is more likely, that my demonstrably fallible brain made a mistake or the laws of physics have been suspended for this event to occur? I recommend reading Carl Sagan's Science as a Candle in the Dark.

What I did say is that it is possible that benign external stimuli has the potential to be interpreted by our brain that is very good at imposing patterns even when there is not pattern there. That point is not controversial, open any general psychology book and you can have lots of examples that anybody can replicate and draw conclusions from.

I would just like to encourage healthy skepticism.

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I'm all for healthy skepticism. But with skepticism there has to be the willingness to open the mind to the possibility that our interpretation of a situation is incorrect, otherwise we are not capable of change. I am very familiar with Sagan, keeping in mind that scientists by their very nature, need to be able to prove it, if it is to be real.

Don't even get me started on Psychology. It is the study of behavior that likely developed either by someone's need to understand their treatment from another person, or their own behaviors towards others, in order to justify them. Sometimes you find exactly what you're looking for and nothing else. These studies have been conducted by persons carrying the same fallible brain you describe in your previous posts. And while our existance has been around for a long while, psychology has only been around a short period time. Only time will tell if Freud was a genius or a madman. Remember the world was flat just a few hundred years ago, and we know now that that is incorrect. But even when someone sailed around the world we couldn't be certain it was round until we were able to view it from a distance, space. Then we had irrefutable evidence. Man cannot distance himself from mans psyche and therefore the interpretations are subject to the flaws of its own thinking and limitations. But for now, we believe Freud to be right.

I'll leave you with one more thing to ponder. What color is red? Do you believe Red to exist? When you spread red paint, are you pleased by how it looks or do you simply tell yourself that the paint isn't red at all, but just a substance reflecting the parts of the light spectrum that the human eye with it 's rods and cones, interprets as red, and that being only the color that others have described to be and labeled as red. How would you prove it to be red to someone who is color blind?

It's strange if my brain made a mistake that my animals and a number of other people's brain made that same mistake.

I'm very much a non-believer in most things. I'm more of the I have to see it to believe it.

I have lived here for 15 years or so and have grown used to it all. When I'm sitting on the couch and my lights start going off and on, it's not my brain playing tricks or thinking of tigers.
Could it be the lights? Yes. After 15 years have i tried different plugs and test to see if its a short or something else going on? Yes.

When we are laying in bed trying to go to sleep and it sounds like a ball bouncing in the hall, is that a my mind? How about when my girlfriend hears it too? What about when I yell and tell it to stop and it does?

I have had things move if I put them in the same spot. One time I had this "prop" that I made. Lets just say it was hanging from a large hook. When I would come home, it would always be a few feet away on the floor. The hook would still be hanging. Think large meathook. With the tip pointing straight up. The weight of the object in the curve hanging straight down.

So how it would lift off and fall? I got smart and glued it to the hook. Around the entrance of the hook and the exit. The next day it was laying on the floor.

There are a million things out there that humans will never understand. Most of the time I blow it off until my dogs "see" it too. It's it "ghost" or a "sprit" I don't know and I don't really care what you label it. It's something there and to blow it off as its nothing is foolish.
It's an energy, well that's my label for it.

Hell 60-70 years before man landed on the moon, people never thought they could even fly.

[Freud = modern psychology] = ignorance - its like saying that chemistry is hogwash because it was started by people wanting to turn lead into gold (alchemy).

So far, there is no evidence that has ever been produces in a reliable or systematic manner that supports ghosts or whatever you want to call them. Scientists do not need to prove things, that is a misconception, but there does have to be enough evidece to support a hypothesis which has been generated by an overarching scientific theory (in most cases at least).

As with many others with a skeptical outlook, I would be more than willing to change my mind if I was provided sufficient evidence to rule out alternative, plausible explanations for a given event. I consider that an open mind as opposed to a gullible mind.

Thanks for the discussion.

I can't believe this is a thread.

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Originally Posted by Rob

I can't believe this is a thread.

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Rob, ghosts are cool and stuff but the real question is....

Dooooo youuuuu believe in life after love?
http://youtu.be/5Uu3kCEEc98

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Rob, ghosts are cool and stuff but the real question is....

Dooooo youuuuu believe in life after love?
http://youtu.be/5Uu3kCEEc98

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Obviously this is the better of the two questions. My answer, maybe.

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Originally Posted by mike41793

rob, ghosts are cool and stuff but the real question is....

Dooooo youuuuu believe in life after love?
http://youtu.be/5uu3kceec98

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lol!

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Originally Posted by Rob

Obviously this is the better of the two questions. My answer, maybe.

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Well we all know ghosts aren't real so i would hope that life after love is at least. It depends how the love ends though, wouldnt you agree? Like if your SO cheats on you then it wasn't true love imo. So you CAN cont. on with life. But if your SO dies and it was true love then maybe you can't continue on with life without them...

Or just find someone new lol

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Originally Posted by ewaldrep

[Freud = modern psychology] = ignorance - its like saying that chemistry is hogwash because it was started by people wanting to turn lead into gold (alchemy).

So far, there is no evidence that has ever been produces in a reliable or systematic manner that supports ghosts or whatever you want to call them. Scientists do not need to prove things, that is a misconception, but there does have to be enough evidece to support a hypothesis which has been generated by an overarching scientific theory (in most cases at least).

As with many others with a skeptical outlook, I would be more than willing to change my mind if I was provided sufficient evidence to rule out alternative, plausible explanations for a given event. I consider that an open mind as opposed to a gullible mind.

Thanks for the discussion.

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