best investment?

from looking at your sig I think u should get a lesser

A wise man once told me to examine the snake NOT the deal.....
Kevin Stoltz

Maurice, Robin makes a great point. You are much better off shopping for quality rather then price. You will probably have this snake for many years and you want to produce nice babies. The small investment in a nicer animal is well worth it. I'm not saying this animal isn't nice as we haven't seen it; however, if you look for the cheapest animal you probably won't get a real nice example of the morph. I've never heard anyone say "I wish I bought the lower quality animal". Just saying...

they are all very nice!!! good examples,please just say witch one you would buy, im thinking of the vanilla het hypo male:snake:

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they are all very nice!!! good examples,please just say witch one you would buy, im thinking of the vanilla het hypo male:snake:

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Buy the one that you can't stop thinking about. After all, it's YOUR opinion that matters most. Without seeing the animals, I can't make that call.

Just cuz there a good deal, dosent meen there not food examples! The female hypo is awsome ! And the vanilla het hypo has an awsome head pattern! The sable rocks ! Please just pick the best optchion, and like I sed is the sable a good deal.

comon guys, im asking YOUR opinyon, say there all avrage examples of the morph. witch snake is the best deal?:please:

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Investment?......a 6 month CD from your credit union.

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Not at today's interest rates, lol.

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Just cuz there a good deal, dosent meen there not food examples! The female hypo is awsome ! And the vanilla het hypo has an awsome head pattern! The sable rocks ! Please just pick the best optchion, and like I sed is the sable a good deal.

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They're within $100 of each other. I guess I'm not understanding why you need US to validate anything? Pick the one YOU like the BEST and that's your best deal.

Again - I have to see the snake to tell you which one I would choose. I'm very particular about looks. What "I" think is hot, you may not, and vice versa.

For example - I wanted to buy a lesser. It took me 1.5 years to find the lesser I wanted to buy:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...s/DSC_0177.jpg

Two years ago, I wanted to add a cinnamon - I JUST found the one that I thought was the best and just got him a few weeks ago:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...on/09cpm3l.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ny122209_1.jpg

I'm EXTREMELY picky about what I bring into my collection. So when someone asks me what I'd pick - I'd need to see the animals - the price means nothing to me if I don't know what the animal looks like. And since you're not showing us what they look like - I can't tell you which animal "I" would think is the best deal.

Very Nice Cinnamon Rabernet :bow:

I like them all the same! I'm just asking on the genitics and nothing els, just price for genetics, thank you.

Btw, I don't have the extra 100 to spend on a nicer example, not even 50, I'm on a very tight budget. So just by genetics what's the best deal?

WOW rabernet.....im not a big fan of the cinnamons but that one is beautiful!!!!

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comon guys, im asking YOUR opinyon, say there all avrage examples of the morph. witch snake is the best deal?:please:

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Kid i am going to be point blank here.You are asking for opinions BUT every time someone gives one you get antsy.Then now people have stopped giving opinions your getting upset.So buy what you want.

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Kid i am going to be point blank here.You are asking for opinions BUT every time someone gives one you get antsy.Then now people have stopped giving opinions your getting upset.So buy what you want.

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I'm sorry !:tears::(:tears:

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I'm sorry !:tears::(:tears:

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Sorry to be blunt ;).You have only been here for a few days and will find that if you are nice we will help you to the fullest.If your a smart mouth or rude, well you get the picture :P.

In my opinion your wasting your time buying another male anything.You need females :gj:.I would get a female majove,i know not in your list :P

I would go with the spotnose het hypo and breed it to the orange ghost female. Don't just go with the cheapest snakes you can find though. You don't have to buy the most expensive but look for good snakes at good prices. "Ugly" cheap snakes will be harder to sell and with cheap snakes you can end up with picky eaters and mites.

anything female ! females will always be worth alot more than males when it grows up to breeding size.
example....
09 male pastel..... $100
09 female pastel... $150

proven breeder = PB
07 male pastel (PB) $150
07 female pastel (PB) $700+


as far as what morph thats up to you. maybe something you like ?

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well, i am on a very limited budget, but i have 3 snakes in mind, a male 09 spotnose het hypo(200)
08 male orange ghost (150)
09 female orange ghost(150
09 female sable(250)

there are also some awsome deals i wish i could take like this 06 pied female proven breeder paired with her het pied mate for 1200!

please tell me witch i should get ( all the balls in my sig are not breeders (acept the female normals) so dont base the desishion on them.:banana:

p.s. is anyone thinks theres a better dead on a better snake! tell me please!!!!

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Please give me the info of the person selling a PB Pied and het male for 1200 because I will make it happen but I don't think you will give me that info because I think it may be untrue.

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Btw, I don't have the extra 100 to spend on a nicer example, not even 50, I'm on a very tight budget. So just by genetics what's the best deal?

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:slamhead: Why does it matter so much to you which one is the best deal? Genetically speaking - none of them are a better or worse deal than the other. Pick the one you like. As already stated "examine the snake - not the deal" You seem fixated on the "deal".

However, I would say that if $50 extra is a challenge, it might be best to pass on getting a new snake right now, and just save your money in a "snake fund" to get what you really love later.

Something just doesn't sit right here.

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Please give me the info of the person selling a PB Pied and het male for 1200 because I will make it happen but I don't think you will give me that info because I think it may be untrue.

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Actually, I saw an ad like that a few days ago. I think it was on kingsnake... not sure. To the best of my recollection, it was someone who was getting out of BPs, but the price was a little higher than 1200... around 1500 I think. I just searched and can't find the ad now... probably sold quickly.

Merged two threads into one "pick my snake for me" thread.

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Actually, I saw an ad like that a few days ago. I think it was on kingsnake... not sure. To the best of my recollection, it was someone who was getting out of BPs, but the price was a little higher than 1200... around 1500 I think. I just searched and can't find the ad now... probably sold quickly.

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It was for a male pied with 2 het females ;),it was $1500

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It was for a male pied with 2 het females ;),it was $1500

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Yea I saw that one but hell I wouldn't sell a female PB Pied for less than 3000 so 1200 for a female PB Pied and a male het is ridiculous I would jump on it in a heart beat providing the snake was desirable in my eyes

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Yea I saw that one but hell I wouldn't sell a female PB Pied for less than 3000 so 1200 for a female PB Pied and a male het is ridiculous I would jump on it in a heart beat providing the snake was desirable in my eyes

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I agree :gj:

I saw the ad for the proven breeder female Pied and male het...It was 1200 or 1500 can't remember...

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I saw the ad for the proven breeder female Pied and male het...It was 1200 or 1500 can't remember...

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Thanks, I knew I hadn't imagined it.

Threads like these make me sad.

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Threads like these make me sad.

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I can promise your not going to start seeing hoards of Breeder pied females come up for sale..one person a trend doesn't make..besides breeders want to hang on to those kinds of things.

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I can promise your not going to start seeing hoards of Breeder pied females come up for sale..one person a trend doesn't make..besides breeders want to hang on to those kinds of things.

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Hell if I could find it it would be for sale no more lol

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I can promise your not going to start seeing hoards of Breeder pied females come up for sale..one person a trend doesn't make..besides breeders want to hang on to those kinds of things.

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Not so much that, but seeing people just wanting to make money off the snakes. The kind of threads that say "Ok, so if I buy this snake at this price and breed him/her, I'll get my money back and then some?" To me personally, it sends out the wrong message.

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Btw, I don't have the extra 100 to spend on a nicer example, not even 50, I'm on a very tight budget. So just by genetics what's the best deal?

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I'm afraid I'm going to have to be blunt as well....

If you can't afford an extra $50 to $100 on a ~$200 snake, then can you afford vet bills if something suddenly came up with your current snakes? I say stick with what you have for now, until you have both a buffer vet fund and the money for new snakes (and snake food).

That being said, if you absolutely can't decide on which one you like best, then I'd say maybe you haven't found the right one yet. :) Just my opinion, though....

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I'm afraid I'm going to have to be blunt as well....

If you can't afford an extra $50 to $100 on a ~$200 snake, then can you afford vet bills if something suddenly came up with your current snakes? I say stick with what you have for now, until you have both a buffer vet fund and the money for new snakes (and snake food).

That being said, if you absolutely can't decide on which one you like best, then I'd say maybe you haven't found the right one yet. :) Just my opinion, though....

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I started a reply like that about five times last night! :)

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Please give me the info of the person selling a PB Pied and het male for 1200 because I will make it happen but I don't think you will give me that info because I think it may be untrue.

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its an ad on kingsnake, ill try to find it!:D

ue to the economy, I am forced to sell my entire Ball Python Collection. All animals are completely healthy and eating well, though some prefer live over f/t and a couple will only eat mice (see descriptions).

PROVEN BREEDERS

Pied (Piebald)Female 1235g $1300
Het Pied Male 1800+g $100
Pair $1400 shipped

Albino Female 1220g $800
Het Albino Male 1435g $100
Pair $900 shipped


JUVENILES, SUB-ADULTS and ADULTS

Female Pastel
780g $400
505g $350

Male Pastel
1320g $100

Female Yellowbelly (Het Ivory)
790g $300


Male Yellowbelly (Het Ivory)
1250g $100

Male Spider 470g $275

Male Cinnamon 660g $275

Male Albino 350g $375

Male Pastel Het Orange Ghost 196g $225

Entire Collection $3275 SHIPPED!

Picures available upon request. Shipping not included unless specified, please inquire for actual shipping cost to your zip code.

Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions you may have. Thank you for looking.

Mason
209-418-9486:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:itold you guys! he is legit and is willing to go lower, i had a chat with him.

see!:rolleyes:

This may be one breeder and one deal.but not the norm for pricing

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This may be one breeder and one deal.but not the norm for pricing

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No its someone that probably thought he was going to make alot of $$$$ and is now bailing out due to reality :rolleyes:

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Btw, I don't have the extra 100 to spend on a nicer example, not even 50, I'm on a very tight budget. So just by genetics what's the best deal?

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ignoring the obvious points that otherposters have made (affording to care for your pets/breeders) this is very worth considering:


IF you're in this to make some cash then the QUALITY you buy will determine the QUALITY you produce.

EG buy the cheapest, crappiest exampleof any co-dom morph you can find and you will, in the future, find yourself producing more cheap, crappy examples of the morph.

If you buy as cheap as possible to start with then you're simply setting yourself up to basically be the guy you bought from, ie someone having to sell low grade examples of ball morphs at the lowest possible end of market value.

"invest" in crap, and you'll produce crap yourself. Buy the best example(or most pleasing to you) of each morph and you'll produce those incredible looking snakes selling for the top end of whatever that particular morph is worth.

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ignoring the obvious points that otherposters have made (affording to care for your pets/breeders) this is very worth considering:


IF you're in this to make some cash then the QUALITY you buy will determine the QUALITY you produce.

EG buy the cheapest, crappiest exampleof any co-dom morph you can find and you will, in the future, find yourself producing more cheap, crappy examples of the morph.

If you buy as cheap as possible to start with then you're simply setting yourself up to basically be the guy you bought from, ie someone having to sell low grade examples of ball morphs at the lowest possible end of market value.

"invest" in crap, and you'll produce crap yourself. Buy the best example(or most pleasing to you) of each morph and you'll produce those incredible looking snakes selling for the top end of whatever that particular morph is worth.

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I think I hear an echo! :P

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Btw, I don't have the extra 100 to spend on a nicer example, not even 50, I'm on a very tight budget. So just by genetics what's the best deal?

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Well I hate to state the obvious but than why ask what the best investment is?

When talking purely about investment here is something YOU need to think about.

You buy the best example of a morph you can find you will produce good looking to outstanding babies you buy a poor example of a morph and you will produce more of the same.

Now let's say you produce poor example of the morph you pick what do you think will happen when you put them on the market?

You might be able to sell them at a very low price, but are also very likely to get stuck with them……so how is that a good investment???

Also if you can’t afford an extra $50 or $100 what else can’t you afford? Vet Cost? Feeding? Housing?

Can you even afford breeding because I can tell you it does not come cheap (Hatchling rack, incubator, rodent rack etc)

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banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:itold you guys! he is legit and is willing to go lower, i had a chat with him.

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I am glad you are happy about your “deal” but again not the average this is a desperate situation apparently.

Something else you need to wonder when you see “good deals” it is whether or not there might be some issues.

Don’t you wonder why someone would sell an animal that is a proven breeder at that price?

Yeah she might have laid but did she lay slugs, were all the babies viable and healthy etc, is she a picky feeder etc?

Other thing how will the breeder take care of you, will he be there before and after the sale or will he pocket your money and be gone next day?

And again those prices are not the norm YOU are shopping for the “deal” rather than the animal and I doubt in the long run it will be a worthy investment.

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Well I hate to state the obvious but than why ask what the best investment is?

When talking purely about investment here is something YOU need to think about.

You buy the best example of a morph you can find you will produce good looking to outstanding babies you buy a poor example of a morph and you will produce more of the same.

Now let's say you produce poor example of the morph you pick what do you think will happen when you put them on the market?

You might be able to sell them at a very low price, but are also very likely to get stuck with them……so how is that a good investment???

Also if you can’t afford an extra $50 or $100 what else can’t you afford? Vet Cost? Feeding? Housing?

Can you even afford breeding because I can tell you it does not come cheap (Hatchling rack, incubator, rodent rack etc)



I am glad you are happy about your “deal” but again not the average this is a desperate situation apparently.

Something else you need to wonder when you see “good deals” it is whether or not there might be some issues.

Don’t you wonder why someone would sell an animal that is a proven breeder at that price?

Yeah she might have laid but did she lay slugs, were all the babies viable and healthy etc, is she a picky feeder etc?

Other thing how will the breeder take care of you, will he be there before and after the sale or will he pocket your money and be gone next day?

And again those prices are not the norm YOU are shopping for the “deal” rather than the animal and I doubt in the long run it will be a worthy investment.

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:bow: Amen sister!!!!

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And again those prices are not the norm YOU are shopping for the “deal” rather than the animal and I doubt in the long run it will be a worthy investment.

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that realy went to heart.:yes: im going to tell the guy i dont want the snake, i dont realy like the color. i have my eyes on a reeeeely nice butterscotch x orange ghost!:O, the color is almost like a caramel bp. its 200+ shipping, im going to see if i can get it down to to 175 shipped :please::please::please:. but if i cant, i GESS i would do 200 shipped... thanks from keeping me from the dark side:sabduel: lol