New Yellowbelly

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Originally Posted by Matt K

I agree that the snakes colors and pattern are something unusual, but the belly does not read as a Yellowbellies belly. I don't think anyone here meant for you to take any of their comments personally. People are just calling it as they see it, and trying to help you out in not getting swindled, potentially that is. Although I can't see the belly of the snake you linked in your last post, I would say yes to it being a Yellowbelly. If he has that snake for sale, why not ask for a trade? If he truly believes the snake he sold you to be a Yellowbelly, he should have no issues trading. Again, no one here is attacking you in any way, we're all just trying to be helpful! Good luck in whatever you decide to do!

Cheers,
-Matt

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yes he did own a snake shop in miami. called snakes at sunset. he sold it to the current owner a few years ago which my brother has bought 4 balls from. honestly the shape the snakes had been in before the shop was sold was IMO horrible! the new owner is a very clean and knowledgeable person.

not saying that amir doesnt know anything or has bad snakes or anything. thats just saying what i saw years ago...

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Originally Posted by joepythons

So Amir now runs pet shops :confused:.This is ANOTHER one of those threads that the OP does not like the truth and refuses to admit they got jacked :weirdface.O well who cares have fun with your NORMAL ball python :gj:

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Actually Joe Amir did own a Pet store in Miami I think, but has since sold it to a close friend. The op is correct that Amir does sell BP's to a lot of FL pet stores so that part is not inconceivable.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Actually I thought I read Amir used to run a pet shop but had recently sold it?

I know I usually get these thigns wrong but wasn't it called sunset pythons? Or was that someone else. :oops:

My recommendation to send the pictures to Amir stands - I know there are some subtle yellowbellies but that seems a bit too subtle for me, personally, not to want confirmation from a third party not the person I bought it from.

As I said he doesn't need to be intentionally lying to you to be wrong about whether it is a yellowbelly or not.

Either way when you breed it to your ivory you will find out. Be a bit late to complain but you will find out one way or another.


dr del

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Del not sure of the name but you are correct he did have a pet store.

To the OP you can on here and post up terrible, out of focus photos and get upset when other members give you there opinion (including me, I still call it a Normal). You are correct in that YB's can be quite variable, but funny thing about those Normals they to are quite variable.

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

Actually Joe Amir did own a Pet store in Miami I think, but has since sold it to a close friend. The op is correct that Amir does sell BP's to a lot of FL pet stores so that part is not inconceivable.



Del not sure of the name but you are correct he did have a pet store.

To the OP you can on here and post up terrible, out of focus photos and get upset when other members give you there opinion (including me, I still call it a Normal). You are correct in that YB's can be quite variable, but funny thing about those Normals they to are quite variable.

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He said Amir was this guys boss though in post 47 :confused:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

He said Amir was this guys boss though in post 47 :confused:

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Could be a response he got from the store owner to further make him feel comfortable the animal came from Amir. Or it Amir could have in the recent past took the store back over there are alot or questions that may never nor need to be answered because its a 75-150 dollar animal that the OP has obviously decided was in fact a YB regardless of the advice we have given him.

100000000000% positive its a norm. Definitely get your money back. I was thinking maybe you misunderstood the owner. How large is that snake and female I assume I will go back and read right now. But if thats a female norm for that size then maybe 150 isnt bad...well for a petshop price. Maybe he meant if you breed that to your ivory then you will produce yellowbellies. I know I have selective hearing and I can see where someone could think that meant it was a yb. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

By the way to those people that keep calling this snake a normal. It definatly isnt a normal. I had 2 normals before this supposed normal and I must say his colors are much lighter and honestly the belly shows more shades of yellow in comparison to my prior bps. My two cents.

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Just because it looks different then your other normals doesnt mean anything I have over 20 normals and every single one looks different from one another. They all have varying amount of color ranging from pastel looking to almost mojave and patterns looking like granites, wild types, womas. Thats what makes normals soo great they are all soo different. I know you don't want to believe it but your snake is a normal ball python. There is absolutely no way that it is a yellowbelly. Im sorry if you don't want to believe us but there is a hell of alot of experience here telling what it isnt and you insist on telling us we are wrong. Now just because the guy seems all buddy buddy does no make him yours. He can and will sell you whatever he can to make a quick buck. Tell him you would like to speak with Amir or try to contact him yourself that will settle it. Good luck.

It is a normal, but I'll post something more then "it's a normal."

I actually had the pleasure of seeing a few yb babies a few weeks ago, they are subtle but very cool looking. Not all have yellowbellies but they do have flames and the markings... I have a normal female that looks similar to the one you have put up and she's a normal.

Is it possible that when the deliveries were being made, he dropped the wrong snake bag off and pet shop owner didn't look in the bag? Or maybe this Amir person mis labeled the bag? Something along those lines?

Maybe call the pet shop and say "you sold me a normal, I have posted numerous pictures of this animal and everyone is saying it's a normal. Something could have possibly happened and maybe you just sold me the wrong snake"

He's probably trust Amir and going by what he said. I think if this Amir person saw the snake, he would probably say he dropped the wrong bag off. This is taking into consideration what was said earlier about delivering numerous ball pythons to many pet stores.

That's my input.
Thanks,

Mike :):)

IMO, it's a normal. And if you've had 2 normals prior to acquiring this BP, you should be aware of the variety of colors that normals come in. People pick up normals that resemble fires all the time, but they're just light colored normals. Not fires.

As for this snake, it has NO flames, has a CLEAR belly. It is not a Yellowbelly. If I were you, I'd go to the shop, ask him to use a computer there and show him comparison pictures of your snake and a true YB. And if he still insists on it being a YB, I'd get together with Amir. Only if you truly care about it being a YB or a normal.

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

Actually Joe Amir did own a Pet store in Miami I think, but has since sold it to a close friend. The op is correct that Amir does sell BP's to a lot of FL pet stores so that part is not inconceivable.



Del not sure of the name but you are correct he did have a pet store.

To the OP you can on here and post up terrible, out of focus photos and get upset when other members give you there opinion (including me, I still call it a Normal). You are correct in that YB's can be quite variable, but funny thing about those Normals they to are quite variable.

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You are very confused my friend. First off his name is not Joe Amir. It's Amir Soleymani, so I think we are talking about two different people with the same occupation. I could be mistaken on this but thats the name that this guy said.

And I made it pretty damn clear that my camera sucks.

And as far as getting upset at other members, I never was. If anything I am upset at myself for not being smarter in this transaction.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

He said Amir was this guys boss though in post 47 :confused:

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I think you guys are talking about some one else.

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

100000000000% positive its a norm. Definitely get your money back. I was thinking maybe you misunderstood the owner. How large is that snake and female I assume I will go back and read right now. But if thats a female norm for that size then maybe 150 isnt bad...well for a petshop price. Maybe he meant if you breed that to your ivory then you will produce yellowbellies. I know I have selective hearing and I can see where someone could think that meant it was a yb. Just a thought.

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Well I have a FEMALE Ivory that should be ready to breed next year. The new snake that I got is a MALE for sure, 100% positive I saw him pop and probe it in front of me. He made it damn clear its a yellowbelly.

On post 47 I posted some pictures of different snake. Who can identify the Yellowbelly?

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

You are very confused my friend. First off his name is not Joe Amir. It's Amir Soleymani, so I think we are talking about two different people with the same occupation. I could be mistaken on this but thats the name that this guy said.

I think you guys are talking about some one else.

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He meant to say "Actually Joe, Amir did own a Pet store in Miami I think, but has since sold it to a close friend. The op is correct that Amir does sell BP's to a lot of FL pet stores so that part is not inconceivable."

See, he was addressing Joepythons, while talking about Amir. I think Amir is a pretty well known name on here, so it wouldn't be mistaken.

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

He meant to say "Actually Joe, Amir did own a Pet store in Miami I think, but has since sold it to a close friend. The op is correct that Amir does sell BP's to a lot of FL pet stores so that part is not inconceivable."

See, he was addressing Joepythons, while talking about Amir. I think Amir is a pretty well known name on here, so it wouldn't be mistaken.

:)

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Ahh got confused. Okay that is clarified.

It might be as simple as getting some newer "better" pictures to post, being a yb owner and having produced yellow belly's, by the photo's you posted it just doesn't like quite right.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

It might be as simple as getting some newer "better" pictures to post, being a yb owner and having produced yellow belly's, by the photo's you posted it just doesn't like quite right.

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I couldnt agree more, but unfortunately I am stuck with my crappy camera until I can find a better one. The pics I took with the 10 megapixel made no difference, I'm going to need a much better camera.


So everyone knows, cause I know how it can get on these forums. Im not here to argue with anyone, I am here to learn. If I disagree with something I may have good reason, but don't take it personally. I havent.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

And I made it pretty damn clear that my camera sucks.

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That wouldn't change the snakes patterns though - which are the things that are making us say it is not a yellowbelly - the colour really isn't the determining factor.

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

Well I have a FEMALE Ivory that should be ready to breed next year. The new snake that I got is a MALE for sure, 100% positive I saw him pop and probe it in front of me. He made it damn clear its a yellowbelly.

On post 47 I posted some pictures of different snake. Who can identify the Yellowbelly?

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I'm sorry to keep saying it but you probably just paid $150 for a normal male then.

He can say it is a yellowbelly all he likes - I can also say the sky is green and made of kiwi fruit. :(

In your post the kingsnake pictures do not show for me at all but the snake in the linked album does indeed look like a yellowbelly - it has great flames and blushing and the typical border to the belly.

I'm not kidding when I say contacting Amir is the best way forward - I'm sure he would be delighted to hear if someone is using his name to sell fake morphs and would be equally happy to correct any accidental misunderstandings if this is all some mistake.

But your snake has none of the markers people expect from a yellowbelly and if you only wanted to make yellowbellies from your ivory you could have bought a male normal for $40. :(


dr del

Amir actually still owns a shop here in Miami. It's just not on sunset. The name is "Snakes". On u.s. 1 and 180th if I recall. Don't really remember the location. I don't do business with him.

Hi,

I just realised that, while people posted pictures of their yellowbellys nobody linked to the hunters guide on them.

So here it is. :)


dr del

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Originally Posted by Failshed

Amir actually still owns a shop here in Miami. It's just not on sunset. The name is "Snakes". On u.s. 1 and 180th if I recall. Don't really remember the location. I don't do business with him.

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Okay I just got off the phone with the kid who gave me the Ivory. He bought the Ivory from the same exact place that this supposed yellow belly came from, Snakes at Sunset. Snakes happens to be the name of this place here in Gainesville, and after another quick phone call I found out they are both owned by Amir. So its looking like this situation can be corrected fairly easy.
I am going to Miami tomorrow for my Christmas break. I will be taking both my Ivory and the other snake and I am going to settle this mess. Thank you all for your opinions and inputs.

By the way all the photos you see on post 47 are Yellowbellies, ALL of them. They came from breeder shots, so all you pro spotters out there, I hope you were correct on identifying them, if not please stop trying to identify snakes. <-- Not a personal attack but rather a general message.

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

By the way all the photos you see on post 47 are Yellowbellies, ALL of them. They came from breeder shots, so all you pro spotters out there, I hope you were correct on identifying them, if not please stop trying to identify snakes. <-- Not a personal attack but rather a general message.

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Remarks like this WILL get future questions ignored ;).We will be watching for your apology :gj:

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

By the way all the photos you see on post 47 are Yellowbellies, ALL of them. They came from breeder shots, so all you pro spotters out there, I hope you were correct on identifying them, if not please stop trying to identify snakes. <-- Not a personal attack but rather a general message.

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You could have possibly done your homework on yb's a little more as well instead of coming on here posting a normal and because you had someone tell you why it's a yb, you come on here and tell everyone they're wrong.... <---- just saying. Not a personal attack
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Originally Posted by joepythons

Remarks like this WILL get future questions ignored ;).We will be watching for your apology :gj:

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He took it personally. :O

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Originally Posted by piper

You could have possibly done your homework on yb's a little more as well instead of coming on here posting a normal and because you had someone tell you why it's a yb, you come on here and tell everyone they're wrong.... <---- just saying. Not a personal attack
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My homework actually turned out to be correct. He is a yellow belly, the guy who sold it to me just finished proving it to me, i got back from the pet store. So this thread is officially over.

Thank you all for your opinions, I do mean that, and for those that took any of my comments personally, I apologize, but I have realized that I over estimated these forums. You can't get all your answers through the internet.

Ok I'll bite, :D

How did he prove that the animal is a yellowbelly?

it has a normal belly, no flames to speak of, the head pattern looks wrong and the colour doesn't look right - though that could be the camera as you stated.

Did he show you a picture of another snake and say that is his sister? Or show you a picture of an ivory and say that was his mother?

Enquiering minds wanna know. :P


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Ok I'll bite, :D

How did he prove that the animal is a yellowbelly?

it has a normal belly, no flames to speak of, the head pattern looks wrong and the colour doesn't look right - though that could be the camera as you stated.

Did he show you a picture of another snake and say that is his sister? Or show you a picture of an ivory and say that was his mother?

Enquiering minds wanna know. :P


dr del

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Doug, the person who physically sold me the snake, showed me pictures of a clutch of Ivories it produced. The patterns match up. He also showed me a photo of the shelf he was on with the tub labeled according. This snake was taken out of a breeding batch that was being transported. Amir had originally left the yellowbelly that he was suppose to sell me in Miami by mistake but it so happened to be that he had a yellowbelly in the batch that he was transporting, so he sold me that one. He ended up selling me a proven breeder rather than just a simple yellowbelly. I confronted the guy that physically sold me the snake, Doug, and I told him straight up that the patterns and colors don't match with pictures that I find online. He told me that these snakes sometimes don't have very vibrant coloring. He also says that not all the time you'll get perfect patterns. He kept assuring me that its a Yellow belly and he also told me to go visit Amir the next time I was down in Miami. So I'm satisfied.

No, I don't have the photos he showed me. He printed them out, and kept them.

Ah well,

Best of luck when you breed him next year anyway. :)

Did he say he would refund your money if he never produces an ivory for you when paired to an ivory? Get him to put it in writing. :gj:


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Ah well,

Best of luck when you breed him next year anyway. :)

Did he say he would refund your money if he never produces an ivory for you when paired to an ivory? Get him to put it in writing. :gj:


dr del

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Great question. He said he can give me store credit. Honestly that works out for me, thats a lot of mice/crickets/worms/ for a while and maybe another animal. So either way it works for me.

Yea, I'm going to get that in writing. That's not a bad idea.

It looks normal. But...Check out this Toffee Ball thread.

I would encourage you to keep the snake and prove it out if you're confident it's not normal.

Post your results, too.

:gj: Good luck

Nothing you've said have I taken personally, but let me say this. Even if that snake does prove out to be a Yellowbelly, I think it is extremely rude of you to discredit the experience of everyone on this board. You haven't over-estimated these people, they are real breeders, with decades upon decades of combined experience. Some people here have been keeping snakes longer then Yellowbellies have been a recognized morph. People were looking out for you here, as they didn't want you to get burned, and you turn around and tell them that their experience is overrated? Rude, very rude. When you say "this message board," you are referring to the individuals who post on it. Likewise, when you say "the internet," you are referring to the hundreds of people who are on here to lend their experience to you. I'm not personally looking for a specific response here, I just thought I'd point out to you, as an impartial party, that you're being very rude. I agree, keep the snake. Even if it's not a Yellowbelly, it's nice, and it will be fun to prove it out. At the same time, I'd recommend you didn't burn bridges on this board. People here are producing wonderful animals, and to have your only ally in the snake purchasing world be this Amir fellow would seem a bit foolish. At this point it's all water under the bridge for everyone involved, but again, as it seems you hadn't understood it to this point, (here comes the word again, haha) you have been rather rude in your last few responses. Again, I wish you luck in whatever happens with this snake and otherwise.

Cheers,
-Matt

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

Okay I just got off the phone with the kid who gave me the Ivory. He bought the Ivory from the same exact place that this supposed yellow belly came from, Snakes at Sunset. Snakes happens to be the name of this place here in Gainesville, and after another quick phone call I found out they are both owned by Amir. So its looking like this situation can be corrected fairly easy.

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Snakes at Sunset is owned by Reggie and Mike. Father and son. so you may want to give them a call before you start asking for Amir. Amir hasn't own the shop on sunset for at least three years now... Just letting you know.:D

I could have sworn that Amir is a member here, even if he doesn't post often. Maybe he will see this thread and respond.

amir does NOT own it... http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_lhkb8

Never been a big fan of people that post, and when they get advice they pull a "ha ha in your face" type of attitude if they percieve themselves to have discredited that advice (especially when they had none of this information PRIOR to their purchase).

Anyone that responded to this post had your back. They have the experience to give you some very valuable advice, which was research you did not do BEFORE you purchased this snake.

If you feel like thumbing your nose at them, knock yourself out. Hopefully that snake proves out for you, but you got your validation AFTER you purchased the snake.

You seem certain now that you do indeed have a YB (after doing research at the urging of those that took the time to walk you through this).

A bit of research and a few questions, and you could have cleared this up for yourself PRIOR to purchasing your snake.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

He took it personally. :O



My homework actually turned out to be correct. He is a yellow belly, the guy who sold it to me just finished proving it to me, i got back from the pet store. So this thread is officially over.

Thank you all for your opinions, I do mean that, and for those that took any of my comments personally, I apologize, but I have realized that I over estimated these forums. You can't get all your answers through the internet.

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Yes i took it personal :rolleyes:.You asked for our opinions then when EVERYONE said it was not a YB you wondered yourself.So you basicly wasted our time.Now that someone showed you pics of the shelf this animal come from(this is a new one by the way :rolleyes:) you are reasured we were wrong.Did he also show you the egg it come out of? :8: :8: :8:

It doesn’t matter if your camera sucks. Just because its a 10mp doesn’t matter. MP has nothing to do with the quality of a camera. I am a photographer and know pretty well about that. All MP have to do with the camera is the largeness of print quality.
SO I am not trying to be rude, but to me its just an excuse you have.
The flash cannot wash out that much color, and in ever single picture you have taken.

To me you don’t care about our opinions anymore. Because you asked for one, and then when it wasn’t the answer you wanted you started to go against people. Then you got rude! I think you are just ashamed to admit that you got jacked. Plain and simple. That isn’t a freaking YB.

Just because this random dude at the petshop said it was, doesn't make it right. And if he should you picks and the patterns matched i highly doubt that. Snakes do not look the same as hatch-lings, then as adults. Patterns and colors change quite a bit. SO i think he is BS and is brainwashing you!
Also seems like he might be lying and saying Amir is he boss, when clearly a couple of post back. People know for positive that he does not own a petshop. Seems like he is just filling you with lies, and you are continuing to believe him.
Also why would you put a petshop animal with your ivory? He needs to be quarantined!

nice normal good luck with it.....

I'm just reading this thread. I agree that your new addition is not a yellowbelly, and I totally understand how you could be a bit defensive. When we get our feelings hurt or our pride smeared, it is human nature to act inappropriately. With time, as we mature we learn to control it. Just understand that its a good practice to be a reflective person. Think about the situation you are in, and the advice from professionals. I would never to the doctor's office and argue with him. If I don't agree with him, I will get a second opinion. In your case, you have received multiple second opinions from what I consider professionals at this hobby. They have ALL agreed that your animal is not a yellowbelly. Instead of thinking of BP.net as your enemy, let us help you. If you're attitude were different, someone could have felt really sorry for you and your situation and offered you one of their YBs for a discount price. In the future, I suggest you choose not to bite the hand that feeds you with priceless friendships and knowledge that this forum provides.

Respectfully,
Marc

That is not a YB and I don't see how a picture of a clutch of Ivories would prove anything espically since its a male and not on a clutch of eggs...even then it would still be hard to prove those Ivories came from that female. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by PolkaDotPenguin

Snakes do not look the same as hatch-lings, then as adults. Patterns and colors change quite a bit.
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A snakes pattern will not change as it ages.

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

A snakes pattern will not change as it ages.

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Are you sure? Because i have seen my BP's as hatchlings to now what they look like....And the patterns have changed quite a bit.

Hi,

The pattern does stay the same - though the colours can change fairly drastically on occasion.


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

The pattern does stay the same - though the colours can change fairly drastically on occasion.


dr del

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Ditto... I ID'd an almost two year old snake (the person wanted to know if the snake they bought was indeed a possible het recessive that I had hatched and then sold) last week from a pic of it leaving the egg.

It was the only pic I had of the original snake.

bruce

Heh,

I've been taking pictures of all the hatchlings and putting them into degei for the same reason. I just set it to hide sold snakes but if I saw a female snake for sale locally I could check the patterns to make sure I wasn't buying back one from my own genepool. :D


dr del

Good luck with your snake. If it were me I would return it but if you are convinced that it is a YB I guess there is nothing anyone can say to change your mind. I would recommend sending some of the belly pics to a few big breeders and get their opinion. There are quite a few that are sponsors on this site. I can guarantee you that they know more than this pet store owner, me, and anyone else posting in this thread about Ball python morphs. I am sure a few of them would be willing to give your opinion.

I would also maybe pic up a normal female and try breeding him to her this year. You can get good quality breeder female normals for about $100 now. That should clear up any questions, and if it proves to not be a yellowbelly at least you won't waste your ivory on breeding a normal.

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Originally Posted by piper

Not all have yellowbellies

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Actually they dont have yellowbellies at all. Now you get a yellowish tint on the sides of the belly mixed in the the checkered pattern but other then that they aren't yellow. Atleast I have never seen one. You need to have the flames, belly pattern(kinda checkered look along the edges of the belly), and the head spot(which I am not all that sure is a very good marker anyways), oh yeah and also a YB pattern seems busier if that makes any sense.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

So Amir now runs pet shops :confused:.This is ANOTHER one of those threads that the OP does not like the truth and refuses to admit they got jacked :weirdface.O well who cares have fun with your NORMAL ball python :gj:

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Big Gunns to the rescue here, but first let him straighten out one of his future fans Joey.:D

Yes you are "confused" Joey. Big Gunns has been to two pet shops of Amir's in South Florida quite a few times(the first time so long ago Amir had hair):D. Coincidentally, to pick up some Yellowbellies once or twice. He sold the Snakes at Sunset location a few years ago, but still had the other Big Gunns went to last year. He may have sold it by now, since BG did hear some rumors of business issues. He had some bizz up in Gainseville also and would travel back and forth all the time.


As far as this statement...."O well who cares have fun with your NORMAL ball python :gj:". Let me ask everyone this. Is Joey being a meanie here? How would you like it if Joey said this to you? Joey should be the one that's giving an "apology" in Big Gunns opinion. Poor guy may have got "jacked" and you're rubbing it in his face Joey. Such a nice guy you are.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

He said Amir was this guys boss though in post 47 :confused:

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Yep....you're still "confused" Joey, and trying to cover up your obvious blunder. If Amir owns the shop, Amir could be his boss.

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

You are very confused my friend. First off his name is not Joe Amir. It's Amir Soleymani, so I think we are talking about two different people with the same occupation. I could be mistaken on this but thats the name that this guy said.

And I made it pretty damn clear that my camera sucks.

And as far as getting upset at other members, I never was. If anything I am upset at myself for not being smarter in this transaction.



I think you guys are talking about some one else.




Well I have a FEMALE Ivory that should be ready to breed next year. The new snake that I got is a MALE for sure, 100% positive I saw him pop and probe it in front of me. He made it damn clear its a yellowbelly.

On post 47 I posted some pictures of different snake. Who can identify the Yellowbelly?

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"Joe Amir":rofl::rofl: Big GUnns is gonna call him that next time he sees him.:rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by Failshed

Amir actually still owns a shop here in Miami. It's just not on sunset. The name is "Snakes". On u.s. 1 and 180th if I recall. Don't really remember the location. I don't do business with him.

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Somebody that knows what they're talking about shows up.:gj:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Remarks like this WILL get future questions ignored ;).We will be watching for your apology :gj:

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How about yours for being WWWRRRROOOONNNGGGG....and then being a meanie by saying "good luck with your normal". That was totally uncalled for and would get any original OP upset.

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Originally Posted by ralphdp21

He took it personally. :O



My homework actually turned out to be correct. He is a yellow belly, the guy who sold it to me just finished proving it to me, i got back from the pet store. So this thread is officially over.

Thank you all for your opinions, I do mean that, and for those that took any of my comments personally, I apologize, but I have realized that I over estimated these forums. You can't get all your answers through the internet.

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Joey can be kinda sensitive when he's WRONG!!!!!!:D


Your last statement could not possibly be more true. :gj: Although everyone here was just trying to help you out...well most of them...some were just trying to be "right"....and were being a meanie.:taz:

Big Gunns will say this to everyone...and without the third person.

I have seen as many yellowbellies as anyone on this forum(hundreds...maybe over one thousand). His snake does not look like one(although from the top it does look like some adults), but I have been shown snakes by both Amir and Ian that don't look like them either, and have been in fact "yellowbellies"(proved to be by breeding). Although I would never buy this snake as one, it could in fact be one. I would need to buy it directly from Amir or Ian though. They would need to look me in the Gunns and say "yep...it's a yellowbelly". If they have the guts to do that....I'd believe them;):D

It's easy to see why this thread went bad. Some people were not the nicest to someone who may have just got ripped off. Think about it for a second. All of us are just people on the net. This is a respected store where he's talking to an actual person who works for the person that named the "Yellowbelly". That's kinda like buying a computer from someone who works for Bill Gates. Who would you believe?

Maybe he shouldn't have got so upset(he did apologize for it...so should someone else), but I'm trying to put myself in his position. He just spent two hours talking to the guys that work for Amir about why it's a yellowbelly, and everyone is still telling him he was ripped off....... And some people doing it in an "not so nicey nice" manner. He can take the word of the people on the net(some(one) of them who were meanies) or he take the word of the store who's owner named the Morph. If you were him, and didn't know much yourself, who would you believe?

If it will make everyone feel better, BG(he's back) can personally call Amir and ask him about this snake. You'll have to remind BG though, he's getting kinda senile lately.:D

ps. Since Joey has BG on ignore, there no reason for him to get upset for BG pointing out how he was WWWRROOONNNGGG(and a meanie) and then got upset about it.:D:D


Why didn't BG show up earlier to save the day here?:D

Thank you BG! I try to chime in only when I know.

To the OP. Did you ever prove this snake out?

I dont know, everybody els says it doesnt look like a yellowbelly but I think it may be just a bad example of one. But who am I? Ok, wow this post is very old.

Reading through this whole thread was very entertaining. Especially Big Gunns talking in 3rd person, well actually that was sorta weird lol. But ya anyways the original snake doesnt look like a yb imo, but very well could be. There are crappy examples of every morph out there but with some of the more subtle morphs, i think its just harder to tell. Im eager to see the OP prove him out...
Edit: lol nm didnt realize how old this thread was...

Agree I'm curious if he ever got some ivories ;).

EDIT:
WOW...didn't realize this was an old thread.... But interesting none the less. It didn't look like a YB to me either. But if it was, then it was a low low grade one...