Is there a way to tell het pied on appearance?

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Originally Posted by mooingtricycle

Tell me about pastels

Then tell me about Spiders.

Then tell me about Mojaves.


Now tell me about yellowbellies.

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What? This isnt a co-dom or dom question being asked. Its a het question. There is no such thing as het for pastel, spider, mojave, cinnamon, pinstripe so on......:confused:

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Originally Posted by RichardA

What? This isnt a co-dom or dom question being asked. Its a het question. There is no such thing as het for pastel, spider, mojave, cinnamon, pinstripe so on......:confused:

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Exactly. You mentioned yellowbellies, in response to another users post. They are Incomplete dominant ( Codominant) .

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Originally Posted by RichardA

What? This isnt a co-dom or dom question being asked. Its a het question. There is no such thing as het for pastel, spider, mojave, cinnamon, pinstripe so on......:confused:

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No, but I think the point was that pastels are simply "het super-pastels"...mojaves are "het BELs". (Not sure where spiders fit in there. :P ) And yellow-bellies are "het ivories". Yellow bellies are a co-dom morph just like pastels or mojos...just a bit more subtle in appearance, so it doesn't really follow to throw them into a discussion about possible markers for true recessive genetics.

Point taken......


but there are still markers....to say there isn't is false.

To say there isn't always is better.

I said they weren't reliable, not that they didn't exist! I'm just worried about some people believing that markers are always there or that something that looks like a marker automatically means that a snake is a het for some morph.

Relying on markers has the potential for a less than ethical person to sell normals with markers as 100% hets, I just want people to be careful.

I understand mainbutter.....no disrespect meant to ya.

Ball python genetics are pretty much in a league of their own......very up and down and confusing for even some of the upmost in the hobby at times.

I guess best thing for any of us to do is, look for the markers at normal price, buy hets from those you know/trust.

:)

I'd point out that ball pythons don't read genetic text books. It looks like piebald is in a gray area between the recessive and co-dominant categories we made up. Gray areas are messy so maybe that's why this one wasn't exposed to the public until well into the marketing of possible het pieds but I think it's better now that everyone at least has a chance to get educated before buying a possible het.

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Originally Posted by Eric Sandoval

The marker for het pieds is very reliable. If you put 50 random het pieds in a container with 50 random normals, I bet you I could pick the hets with 95% accuracy.

Eric

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so, whats the marker?

To simply put it.

There are 100% Het Pieds without Het Pied markings

There are 100% Normals with Het Pied markings

There are 100 % Het Pieds with Het Pied Markings

Judging a Het Pied by markings is like judging the sex of a snake based on the size of the spurs. Yea...It may accurate sometimes....but realistically it is not always going to work.

Hmm, i guess my question sparked some debate. This is great stuff to learn, though! So pied is not really recessive and not really co dominant? (drawing some squares as i type)