White Snakes

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Almost every super or ALS created from the BlkEL or BluEL has the ability to be "pure" white, but can also have pattern.

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I will disagree with you here, there are some combos within each group that will never be pure white (like SuperPhantom or SuperVanilla).

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

not sure what dictates the bleed through of the pattern in some but not others.

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It is determined by the "strength" of the allele(s) you are working with, "stronger" alleles (e.g., more highly expressed mutation) will give reduce the likelihood of patterning/colouring arising. Lesser is stronger than Mojave is stronger than Phantom and so SuperLesser is less patterned/coloured than SuperMojave is less patterned/coloured than Phantom.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

I am getting ready to do a bucket of white snakes picture. Waiting on one to come out of the egg. No two of the same combo. Will be interesting to see the opinions on the "whitest".

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This will be interesting to see however I think you already know my caution that what these animals look like as hatchlings can be very different to how they look as adults. What people say is the "whitest" at 100g could look very different at 1000g.

Did someone say white snake? Could not resist.

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JodanOrNoDan, I wait in anticipation for those pics.

@SkyRivers

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Originally Posted by asplundii

This will be interesting to see however I think you already know my caution that what these animals look like as hatchlings can be very different to how they look as adults. What people say is the "whitest" at 100g could look very different at 1000g.

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Not only that, but it seems to be also influenced by the time of year and where they are in the shed cycle. Mojave complex BEL's hatch out light pink. I am not sure about YB or fire. I should have an Ivory baby this year. No babies in the fire complex though. That is next year.

In any case, I should have enough white animals of various ages and gene combos to have a little fun with. My original "operation" was designed to make RELs in as many combos as possible. Off of the top of my head, I think I have six clutches this year that will contain white snakes. All my other projects are being done to finance making the white snakes. LOL

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Originally Posted by asplundii

I will disagree with you here, there are some combos within each group that will never be pure white (like SuperPhantom or SuperVanilla).

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That is why I prefaced it by saying almost every super or ALS.

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Originally Posted by asplundii

It is determined by the "strength" of the allele(s) you are working with, "stronger" alleles (e.g., more highly expressed mutation) will give reduce the likelihood of patterning/colouring arising. Lesser is stronger than Mojave is stronger than Phantom and so SuperLesser is less patterned/coloured than SuperMojave is less patterned/coloured than Phantom.

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I understand, but I would love to see a genetic comparison between them, although they are allelic, maybe the strongest of them all would actually be the alleles that provide the non white supers. But again its all speculation until we could breakdown each morph to basic levels to look. This is one of the reasons why I love all of this, its very fascinating how it all works and how we can influence each aspect of it by introducing modifier genes for color and pattern.

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Originally Posted by asplundii

I will disagree with you here, there are some combos within each group that will never be pure white (like SuperPhantom or SuperVanilla).

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Super Fire also has yellow markings along the back.

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Originally Posted by Skyrivers

Did someone say white snake? Could not resist.

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Great group , great songs and he had an amazing 'spoken' voice ..
Very 'well spoken' as I recall ..

I still recall 'that' video featuring his super-model u


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Originally Posted by Zincubus

Great group , great songs and he had an amazing 'spoken' voice ..
Very 'well spoken' as I recall ..

I still recall 'that' video featuring his super-model girlfriend and a car ..

:)


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imma just leave these two here:

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