A very special snake

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Originally Posted by hungba

What about all the other stuff? I know it's not just spider paradox or spider atomic. I seen pics of spider atmomics they are not white on the back like that at all. The paradox/atomic or whatever is going on is making it hard to determine the other genes. I know it's more than just spider.

As for mike wilbanks, I doubt I can ask him because he has so many snakes sometimes the possible hets probably get lost in the pile after a few generations. Plus I bought the sire years ago and through someone else, (he sells via a distributor here) I can't identify the specific snake to him anyway.

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If you had the sire's identification number he should be able to tell you, but if not than nevermind about asking him. I don't see a lot of the blushing within the pattern you would see in a super pastel, so my best guess would be that he's a fire bee. A lot of the images on WOBP of the fire bee are from wilbanks, and his seem to come out very black and white over the usual yellows, so that kind of explains his contrast. I'm just not seeing the super pastel, though.

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Originally Posted by hungba

It obviously has spider though. How can I tell if it has pastel or superpastel?

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I would just email a pic to Mike and a message asking him to help you with a classification. I don't think that's too much to ask him. He is always willing to help. Won't hurt to try and you might get surprised! Good luck.:gj:

replying so i can view after work

very nice!

hope this turns into a progression thread.:please:

for me it s not a killer but a bee, possibly fire. for the atomic gene: i don t know. by the way i know why it s a hold back

What do you mean you know why he is hold back?

I will try to ask mike wilbanks or some other breeder who has dealt with atomic I can also breed him back to the dame to prove him out.

Looks like a firebee paradox imo. Interesting to say the least good luck with this pairing again! [emoji106]

Incredible! That is definitely a special and unique ball python!