Bloody nose in rats?- help

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Originally Posted by mmateo

Has nothing to do with myco, bedding. Not to say rats dont get sick. Red secretions around the nose and eyes is natural in rats. Ive bred rats for 5 yrs, I have hundreds. You keep changing bedding, pine will cause resperatory infections, kiln dried cedar is the best for smell and health of my rats. Change it every 2-3 wks vs 5-6 days with pine. I use freddom breeder tubs with 1.2 in each. I have breeders over 2yrs old on cedar, on pine they would rarely last a yr.

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Kiln dried cedar?
Kiln dried pine is all I use now after changing from aspen and not one case of myco, EVER.
Kiln dried pine does not cause anything and cedar is something I would never put under my rats, just really bad advise....

Masking the ammonia with anything is not healthy for the rat, you may not be smelling it but the rats are still breathing it.
"Occasional small amounts of porphyrin are normal, but large, regular amounts indicate an underlying problem."

There is no way you can go 2-3 weeks with any type of bedding without having absolutely disgusting bedding the rats are laying on, that's just gross.

Thank you for your information. That is very stress relieving. They all are eating, and playing like normal, in fact I really haven't noticed it since I posted last. I hope that is all the problem is. I know the diet isn't the problem I feed Lab rat blocks with "treats daily" like lettuce, oat meal, kitten formula, pasta, broccoli, watermelon, strawberries, yogurt, cottage cheese, pineapple, carrots, apples. I don't give them a ton of treats just a little of something everyday. I try to hand feed them it to increase their trust of me so that they let me reach in to check the babies.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Kiln dried cedar?
Kiln dried pine is all I use now after changing from aspen and not one case of myco, EVER.
Kiln dried pine does not cause anything and cedar is something I would never put under my rats, just really bad advise....

Masking the ammonia with anything is not healthy for the rat, you may not be smelling it but the rats are still breathing it.
"Occasional small amounts of porphyrin are normal, but large, regular amounts indicate an underlying problem."

There is no way you can go 2-3 weeks with any type of bedding without having absolutely disgusting bedding the rats are laying on, that's just gross.

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Your and idiot. People who put 4-5 rats in small tubs have nasty tubs. I house 2-3 at most adult rats in each tub. Rats are breathing ammonia even if there is no ammonia odor??? Idiot. My rats have never been more heathy since I changed to CEDAR. My rats are housed in an upstairs bedroom and you can not smell them anyhwere in the house. Idiots like you complain about KILN dried cedar because of oils which are burned of when its KILN dried. News flash idiot PINE also contains oils and you house your rats on it without question. But idiot the oils in pine are also burned off in the KILN dried process. Your cedar is bad aguement has no facts to back it up. You read it was bad some where and passed it on. Do you fresh kill your rats so they wont kill your snakes also, because i read somewhere to NEVER feed a BP a live rat...how stupid house them on whatever you want and keep complaining of how bad they smell. Mine smell great and are very heathy, so are all my BPs who eat them.

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Originally Posted by mmateo

Your and idiot. People who put 4-5 rats in small tubs have nasty tubs. I house 2-3 at most adult rats in each tub. Rats are breathing ammonia even if there is no ammonia odor??? Idiot. My rats have never been more heathy since I changed to CEDAR. My rats are housed in an upstairs bedroom and you can not smell them anyhwere in the house. Idiots like you complain about KILN dried cedar because of oils which are burned of when its KILN dried. News flash idiot PINE also contains oils and you house your rats on it without question. But idiot the oils in pine are also burned off in the KILN dried process. Your cedar is bad aguement has no facts to back it up. You read it was bad some where and passed it on. Do you fresh kill your rats so they wont kill your snakes also, because i read somewhere to NEVER feed a BP a live rat...how stupid house them on whatever you want and keep complaining of how bad they smell. Mine smell great and are very heathy, so are all my BPs who eat them.

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Wow, would you relax? It's pretty generally passed around that cedar isn't good for any animal, and cedar does have a stronger odor from oils than regular pine does. I keep mine on pine and I have a big group of 6 plus babies and I change them almost every day, and they don't smell and they're not "nasty", so there goes your first sentence. Insulting someone isn't going to get you're opinion across any better, so take a chill pill and stop with the insults. Seriously.