Female Fire, $$ question.

well for one thing.. there is no such thing as het lucy....

fire, russo, mojo, lesser/butter/... they aren't het for BEL's

they just produce them.. its their super.. dont listen to someone say oh they are het for ivory..
yellowbelly x yellowbelly = super yellowbellies (ivory) and yellowbelly's

so a fire is not het for BEL's
its just a product of selective breeding. no het required like pieds.

anywho

for that size fire... yeah 2k. maybe 1800$$ but dont lose-out on a profitable animal.

I'm not looking to make much off this girl. I got her on trade so I'm just looking to get a few morphs I really want. I'm not in this to make money, this is my Hobby. I want to make a few morphs I really like and be able to continue to fund/grow my collection. Yeah, making a few bucks here and there is nice but I'm not looking to make this my source of income, not yet at least.

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Originally Posted by sookieball

well for one thing.. there is no such thing as het lucy....

fire, russo, mojo, lesser/butter/... they aren't het for BEL's

they just produce them.. its their super.. dont listen to someone say oh they are het for ivory..
yellowbelly x yellowbelly = super yellowbellies (ivory) and yellowbelly's

so a fire is not het for BEL's
its just a product of selective breeding. no het required like pieds.

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Umm, not really sure what you're trying to say with the above, but there most certainly is such a thing as heterozygous leucistic; however, I'm going to guess you were trying to get at something along the lines of there not being(at least yet) such a thing as a ball python with the wild-type phenotype that is heterozygous leucistic. Fire is equivalent to heterozygous black-eyed leucistic, just as yellowbelly is equivalent to heterozygous ivory. The blue-eyed leucistic complex is a bit less cut-and-dry, but it's pretty safe to say that of them at least butters/lessers are equivalent to heterozygous blue-eyed leucistic. These are facts, and have nothing at all to do with selective breeding. The mutations just have visually different phenotypes than the wild-type in both the heterozygote and the homozygote, with the homozygote being "more extreme" - essentially the definition of incomplete dominance.

Oh, and my advice to the OP would be to keep the girl and pair her with one of his dominant or incomplete dominant males. Adult female morphs are invaluable, and unless you really need the cash there is no reason to sell her. It's hard to tell from the lighting in the pictures if she's a fire or a light normal though. If the trade was for a fire, and if she is that different from her normal sibs, it's probably safe to call her a fire; though it wouldn't hurt to find out where the previous owner's breeding stock came from if possible. Also, as others have said, $2k is probably about right for a breed-able female fire if you do choose to sell her.

russ, not trying to argue, but clarify...

i dont even know how to word this.

what i was saying is that mojo, lesser/butters, russo's, fires,

they all can produce BEL's in any mix of the bunch,

your odds differ from which mix u mix up....

but a mojave is not het. its a homozygote carrier. base morph who's super form is a white snake with black eyes.

i get what your saying, but its proven.

have you ever heard or seen a het.for mojo x het.for lesser cross to produce BEL's?

im sorry if i seem rude its just what i have gathered from what i have read, seen and expierienced.


and just read what you replied... i guess its technically het. leuc.

but if that was the case, wouldn't it be acurate to say that super pastel is the product of 2 hets?



oh and i would totally go with russ and keep her too... just cuz i like fires, they clean up and make other morph combos brilliant!

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Originally Posted by sookieball

well for one thing.. there is no such thing as het lucy....

fire, russo, mojo, lesser/butter/... they aren't het for BEL's

they just produce them.. its their super.. dont listen to someone say oh they are het for ivory..
yellowbelly x yellowbelly = super yellowbellies (ivory) and yellowbelly's

so a fire is not het for BEL's
its just a product of selective breeding. no het required like pieds.

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Don't go passing along incorrect information if you have no idea about what you are talking about.
Fire is heterozygous for Black-Eyed Leucistic.

Yellow Bellies are heterozygous Ivory and let's correct your pairing.
Yellow Belly X Yellow Belly = 25% chance Ivory aka Super YB aka Homozygous Ivory
25% chance Normal
50% chance Yellow Belly aka Heterozygous Ivory

-Steven

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Originally Posted by sookieball

but if that was the case, wouldn't it be acurate to say that super pastel is the product of 2 hets?

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Yes. Very Accurate.
A Super Pastel is the product of 2 Hets.
A Pastel is a Heterozygous Opal or Super Pastel.

I think you need to keep reading up on basic genetics.

-Steven

Steven is right just like a pastel is heterozygous pastel and super pastel is homozygous pastel, the only difference between say pastel and albino is pastel is a visual and albino is only a visual if its homozygous.

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Originally Posted by sookieball

russ, not trying to argue, but clarify...

i dont even know how to word this.

what i was saying is that mojo, lesser/butters, russo's, fires,

they all can produce BEL's in any mix of the bunch,

your odds differ from which mix u mix up....

but a mojave is not het. its a homozygote carrier. base morph who's super form is a white snake with black eyes.

i get what your saying, but its proven.

have you ever heard or seen a het.for mojo x het.for lesser cross to produce BEL's?

im sorry if i seem rude its just what i have gathered from what i have read, seen and expierienced.


and just read what you replied... i guess its technically het. leuc.

but if that was the case, wouldn't it be acurate to say that super pastel is the product of 2 hets?



oh and i would totally go with russ and keep her too... just cuz i like fires, they clean up and make other morph combos brilliant!

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a Mojave is a visual het, homo for bel

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Originally Posted by stevenkeogh

Yes. Very Accurate.
A Super Pastel is the product of 2 Hets.
A Pastel is a Heterozygous Opal or Super Pastel.

I think you need to keep reading up on basic genetics.

-Steven

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well thats for sure but what im trying to say is ( by the way all of this is very helpful and thanks! )

because they are visual, you dont really have to worry about it being het.
its like a given. isn't it?

i would worry about fires though... they really do confuse the heck outta more peeps than ud think... :-)

you dont have to prove out a visual pastel to prove it.
u get me?