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Signed!! And to Twistedtails it's that old saying if you give them an inch they will take a yard!!

The bill is strictly to stop IMPORT not INTERSTATE transporting at all.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

The bill is to eliminate the import AND interstate transport of the species that they're concerned with. This would pretty much kill any business that deals with those animals



I LOVED that book. And that's a good example of what would happen too.

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Can you show proof and not from a forum saying that their stopping all interstate transporting. Like i said its IMPORT only on HR2811

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Originally Posted by MarkS

The bill is to eliminate the import AND interstate transport of the species that they're concerned with. This would pretty much kill any business that deals with those animals



I LOVED that book. And that's a good example of what would happen too.

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You are wrong on that.....Here is a description of the bill and it does not state anything about interstate transport.

H.R.2811
Title: To amend title 18, United States Code, to include constrictor snakes of the species Python genera as an injurious animal.
Sponsor: Rep Meek, Kendrick B. [FL-17] (introduced 6/10/2009) Cosponsors (9)
Related Bills: S.373
Latest Major Action: 11/6/2009 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Subcommittee Hearings Held.
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SUMMARY AS OF:
6/10/2009--Introduced.

Amends the federal criminal code to add the constrictor snake of the species Python genera to the list of injurious species that are prohibited from being shipped or imported into the United States.


Here is the link to that page...
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...11search.html|

Here is a what the Senate bill says also....

S.373
Title: A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to include constrictor snakes of the species Python genera as an injurious animal.
Sponsor: Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] (introduced 2/3/2009) Cosponsors (1)
Related Bills: H.R.2811
Latest Major Action: 2/3/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.
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SUMMARY AS OF:
2/3/2009--Introduced.

Amends the federal criminal code to add the constrictor snake of the species Python genera to the list of injurious species that are prohibited from being shipped or imported into the United States.


Again the link to the page...
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...11search.html|

That bill does not mention interstate either. I think a lot of people are getting confused. I was also until I read the bills being proposed.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Can you show proof and not from a forum saying that their stopping all interstate transporting. Like i said its IMPORT only on HR2811

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I believe that some of that language was removed from the bill at the last hearing, originally it was included. However there is a push to not only have that language added back, but to increase the number of species affected by it. What you're seeing is the bill in it's current state. What the recent hearing was about was how to amend it in further ways which you won't see on the bill until it's amended and voted on by the committee.

(I think I got that right)

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I believe that some of that language was removed from the bill at the last hearing, originally it was included. However there is a push to not only have that language added back, but to increase the number of species affected by it. What you're seeing is the bill in it's current state. What the recent hearing was about was how to amend it in further ways which you won't see on the bill until it's amended and voted on by the committee.

(I think I got that right)

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If I'm not mistaken, they did not even touch the bill in the last hearing. It was exactly what it was...A hearing. I did watch it and believe that is was continued to hear more arguments.

Additionally, if they ban the import of all pythons, you can say goodbye to getting any new morphs.

Granted, I'd rather see a ban on importation than on owning/interstate transport/etc., but I prefer no bans. I mean, for heaven's sake, most pythons are completely harmless.

When I read the bill at the bottom it did say Import, sales and interstate transportation. It may have changed but sales and interstate transportation was on there.

here is the hr669 bill
http://www.usark.org/uploads/HR669.pdf
and here is the part near the bottom.
(4) LIMITATION ON PROCEDURES.—The proce6
dures under section 4(c)(1)(A)(ii), subsection (b)(2)
7 of this section, and section 553 of title 5, United
8 States Code, shall not apply to determinations under
9 this subsection.
10 SEC. 6. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES.
11 (a) PROHIBITIONS.—Except as provided in this sec12
tion or in section 7, it is unlawful for any person subject
13 to the jurisdiction of the United States to—
14 (1) import into or export from the United
15 States any nonnative wildlife species that is not in16
cluded in the list of approved species issued under
17 section 4;
18 (2) transport between any State by any means
19 whatsoever any nonnative wildlife species that is not
20 included in the list of approved species issued under
21 section 4;
22 (3) violate any term or condition of a permit
23 issued under section 7;
24 (4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)),
25 sell or offer to sell, purchase or offer to purchase,
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1 or barter for or offer to barter for, any nonnative
2 wildlife species that is prohibited from being im3
ported under paragraph (1);
4 (5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife
5 species that is prohibited from being imported under
6 paragraph (1); or
7 (6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is
8 prohibited from being imported under paragraph
9 (1), or provide any such species to another person
10 for breeding purposes.
11 (b) PENALTIES AND ENFORCEMENT.—Any person
12 who violates subsection (a) shall be subject to the civil pen13
alties and criminal penalties described in section 4 of the
14 Lacey Act Amendments of 1981 (16 U.S.C. 3373). Sec15
tions 4(b), 4(e), 5, and 6 of that Act shall apply to such
16 a violation in the same manner as they apply to a violation
17 of that Act.
18 (