black pastel x cinnamon = ???

Right good point. It wouldn't be a "dilute gene" that's again a term that has no real definition in genetics (as far as my experience goes as a bio major) and is a term used to describe what we have encountered (or someone else did with other animals). Yeah there is no reason I should have said that they can't be on the same locus because of the super, that happens all the time in genetics.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Same gene different lines, IMO.

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i agree with this. :gj:

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Originally Posted by h00blah

i agree with this. :gj:

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As do I. But I don't like considering anything so black and white (haha super cinnamons and lucys) as things do occur that challenge belief from time to time and when you really believe something then there is a good chance you will resist the change in the face of overwhelming evidence.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

As do I. But I don't like considering anything so black and white (haha super cinnamons and lucys) as things do occur that challenge belief from time to time and when you really believe something then there is a good chance you will resist the change in the face of overwhelming evidence.

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i am quite stubborn, but i love to learn. if i am proven wrong, i will gladly accept it as a learning experience :gj:
after all, "if you admit you're wrong, you're right."

Cinnamons have clear bellies, Black pastels do not. Very similar gene, and they must be alleles on the same locus to produce the super as they do.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Do you have proof of this?

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Not necessarily, but after many clutches with the outcrossed animals showing fewer defects than the inbred ones it would stand to reason that it is true.