Kalatoa 100% Pure SD Retic Progression (Pic heavy...)

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Originally Posted by Gio

I think you know me well enough to know how I feed. Your question appeared condescending and somewhat inflammatory since you posted it publicly. If you wanted to know the answer as to why you could have PM’d me.

I have posted countless times about the royal eating only live and often refusing. The next step is moving the prey to the next snake.

The previous post didn’t allow me to edit and say “If the royal refuses on Tuesday” because time passed.

Not a big deal. Just figured you were aware this isn’t my first rodeo and you’d have figured out my reasoning.

It seemed an off question for the direction of the conversation.

No harm done. You know how I feed, and I enjoy your posts and beautiful animals.

Early morning today and not feeling the best.

All is well and we will continue to share thoughts and ideas.

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I do know you and that is why i asked why you would feed live to the retic. I dont remember you feeding live to the BP, or maybe i just forgot as that snake isnt talked about much.

As for Pming you about the question, i really didnt think it was that big of deal. I was more curious as i know you feed FT and all of a sudden on this post, you popped in with 'maybe i'll feed him a live one' which threw me off. i figured you would do cervical dislocation before feeding.

As for being an 'off question', i asked it from your comment. It wasnt something i just pulled out of the air as like i said, i was really confused why you would feed live. I could understand from someone else but for as long as i've known you, you've had snakes and always fed FT, i was confused.

And while it seems you were a bit offended by my question, i was a bit offended by the response. You could have said something like 'come on man, you have known me for a long time and know i prefer to feed FT but the BP eats live' instead of the whole 'isnt my first rodeo' and 'any other questions' comment.

But anyways no harm done. I just felt like i needed to walk on eggshells or tiptoe around when i asked you questions or you might go bonkers on me.

And back to the subject of Phyllis, thats funny you gotta take her for walks daily....well not really but it would be if if i was one of your local friends and said 'lets hit the bar'.....and your response was 'sure but i need to take my retic for a walk real quick' lol.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

And back to the subject of Phyllis, thats funny you gotta take her for walks daily....well not really but it would be if if i was one of your local friends and said 'lets hit the bar'.....and your response was 'sure but i need to take my retic for a walk real quick' lol.

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Gave her 6-7hours of free reign today... already pushing at the doors again. Just gonna go beat my head against a concrete wall until I can figure out the cause of this behavior



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Gave her 6-7hours of free reign today... already pushing at the doors again. Just gonna go beat my head against a concrete wall until I can figure out the cause of this behavior



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Dang, thought you had it nailed down too with the wearing her out with outside time.

Well i think the only thing left is to try the smaller cage and switch her with Gerald and see what happens. I know every time i shove Caesar in the spare T8 when i clean his cage, he gets bent and takes out his anger on the door by pushing furiously lol. Then when i put him back in his nice clean cage, he is happy again.

best of luck with the smaller cage idea. If that doesnt work, I truly am at a loss. You try asking people on the retic FB pages that we are members of? Maybe someone there has more ideas?

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Gave her 6-7hours of free reign today... already pushing at the doors again. Just gonna go beat my head against a concrete wall until I can figure out the cause of this behavior



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What is the lowest temperature you can safely get your cages to sit at?

My only thought other than they are both males hating each other, which I’d find very surprising; is you could try to drop temps again and see if they slow up.

It’s really all I can come up with.

It sucks that this is becoming a stress project for you VS a relaxing, enjoyable escape 😡

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Originally Posted by Gio

What is the lowest temperature you can safely get your cages to sit at?

My only thought other than they are both males hating each other, which I’d find very surprising; is you could try to drop temps again and see if they slow up.

It’s really all I can come up with.

It sucks that this is becoming a stress project for you VS a relaxing, enjoyable escape [emoji35]

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Lowest hers will get is 78*. I’m not even using the RHP currently. Just ambient temp and heat tape. Only way I can get it lower is if I set the ac in the apt to like 68-70, it’s currently set at 74* which keeps the snake room at 76-77 and the cage ambient around 78-79.
And yeah, it’s been a stress project for at least the last year. I’ve been tearing my hair out and about ready to scream recently


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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Dang, thought you had it nailed down too with the wearing her out with outside time.

Well i think the only thing left is to try the smaller cage and switch her with Gerald and see what happens. I know every time i shove Caesar in the spare T8 when i clean his cage, he gets bent and takes out his anger on the door by pushing furiously lol. Then when i put him back in his nice clean cage, he is happy again.

best of luck with the smaller cage idea. If that doesnt work, I truly am at a loss. You try asking people on the retic FB pages that we are members of? Maybe someone there has more ideas?

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I’m really tempted to try the smaller cage. I actually stuffed her in there for a min the other night and it just made me sad how cramped she looked in there. And she gave a couple quick pushes in the whole 5 minutes I had her in there.
I’m thinking she either needs a rat every 5-6 days, or a 2-3lb rabbit and see how long she goes. These “colossal” rats are on average about the same size as the jumbos I was getting a year ago. She was 6-7lbs eating those and now she’s like 23lbs. Maybe I’ll give her a hippo next?



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Originally Posted by jmcrook

I’m really tempted to try the smaller cage. I actually stuffed her in there for a min the other night and it just made me sad how cramped she looked in there. And she gave a couple quick pushes in the whole 5 minutes I had her in there.
I’m thinking she either needs a rat every 5-6 days, or a 2-3lb rabbit and see how long she goes. These “colossal” rats are on average about the same size as the jumbos I was getting a year ago. She was 6-7lbs eating those and now she’s like 23lbs. Maybe I’ll give her a hippo next?



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I hear ya. Caesar looks funny in the T8. And also he looks pretty uncomfortable as well. Like i said, the smaller cage is the only thing i can think of thats left. I really dont think it's food related as she pushes so soon. I mean maybe try a substantially larger meal to see if that 'satisfies' her longer? When Caesar was at his height on pushing, i was basically underfeeding him i feel as i kept him on jumbo rats which like Phyllis, he was eating a long time ago. But like i said, i also think it was breeding for him as he hit the height at the usual breeding time for retics and since has pretty much completely quit. He still is out nightly and windshield wipes and destroys stuff but at least he doesnt push. I did up his food size about the same time though so i cant really pinpoint if that or the breeding was the factor that caused him to quit pushing. i Am leaning towards breeding though.

Other than trying to smaller cage, only thing i can think of is give her something more substantial like maybe piglets from Monster Feeders. Or guinea pigs. I dont think its the amount of food she is getting that is doing it, maybe just she never really feels 'full' if that makes sense. So instead of smaller meals more often, maybe switch it up and try a nice big meal less often. Grasping at straws with it. And like i said before, i know Caesar and Rosey will both push if their humidity gets too high. Usually only happens when i put in fresh cypress and it spikes to 100% for a few days and i get condensation on the doors. Both of them really seem to hate that so I leave their doors opens and they get quiet and curl up and sleep. Vicky and the little boas love higher humidity but for some weird reason, Caesar and Rosey seem to like it on the lower end.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

I hear ya. Caesar looks funny in the T8. And also he looks pretty uncomfortable as well. Like i said, the smaller cage is the only thing i can think of thats left. I really dont think it's food related as she pushes so soon. I mean maybe try a substantially larger meal to see if that 'satisfies' her longer? When Caesar was at his height on pushing, i was basically underfeeding him i feel as i kept him on jumbo rats which like Phyllis, he was eating a long time ago. But like i said, i also think it was breeding for him as he hit the height at the usual breeding time for retics and since has pretty much completely quit. He still is out nightly and windshield wipes and destroys stuff but at least he doesnt push. I did up his food size about the same time though so i cant really pinpoint if that or the breeding was the factor that caused him to quit pushing. i Am leaning towards breeding though.

Other than trying to smaller cage, only thing i can think of is give her something more substantial like maybe piglets from Monster Feeders. Or guinea pigs. I dont think its the amount of food she is getting that is doing it, maybe just she never really feels 'full' if that makes sense. So instead of smaller meals more often, maybe switch it up and try a nice big meal less often. Grasping at straws with it. And like i said before, i know Caesar and Rosey will both push if their humidity gets too high. Usually only happens when i put in fresh cypress and it spikes to 100% for a few days and i get condensation on the doors. Both of them really seem to hate that so I leave their doors opens and they get quiet and curl up and sleep. Vicky and the little boas love higher humidity but for some weird reason, Caesar and Rosey seem to like it on the lower end.

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I agree with all of this.

The ONLY other option I can think of, and it's a bit of a pain for you to deal with is getting the really big 8 foot cage.

Now I kind of frown on that because the 3 of us all went for the "smaller" genetics, and your girl isn't really that big, however the constant movement is distressing.

Are you handy? I'm not, but if I was, I'd be tempted to build the mother of all cages. I know you are a mobile dude and need to up and go when jobs change, but once you are settled for good, build her the JW Marriott!

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Originally Posted by Gio

I agree with all of this.

The ONLY other option I can think of, and it's a bit of a pain for you to deal with is getting the really big 8 foot cage.

Now I kind of frown on that because the 3 of us all went for the "smaller" genetics, and your girl isn't really that big, however the constant movement is distressing.

Are you handy? I'm not, but if I was, I'd be tempted to build the mother of all cages. I know you are a mobile dude and need to up and go when jobs change, but once you are settled for good, build her the JW Marriott!

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Once I’m settled for good I’ll give her half a room if necessary hah! But yeah, I’m pretty darn handy and have a full wood shop accessible on campus that I could build something magnificent in. Just the issue of moving a heavy giant cage at the moment with having to move somewhat frequently depending on job opportunities. When I do get to settle I plan to make the sweetest snake room ever with cages built into the walls with walk-in closets that give access to the back of the cages. [emoji41][emoji216]
At Syracuse University we had a CNC router in the sculpture studio. Few years before I got Phyllis but I could have made the coolest damn cage with that thing. I think it would cut an 4x8-10’ piece of material


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Any update on Miss Pushyface

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Been fallowing the thread. So sorry you are having this issue with your baby. I am thankful I don't have pushing issues..... yet. I am interested in what the final solution will be though incase I ever do. Hope you find one soon. Best wishes.

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Any update on Miss Pushyface

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She ate 4 days ago and is currently chilling under her warm hide. Hoping she stays calm for a few more days. 🤞


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Originally Posted by Skyrivers

Been fallowing the thread. So sorry you are having this issue with your baby. I am thankful I don't have pushing issues..... yet. I am interested in what the final solution will be though incase I ever do. Hope you find one soon. Best wishes.

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There is no solution yet except maybe to put Phyllis on prozac lol.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

There is no solution yet except maybe to put Phyllis on prozac lol.

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Lmao! Got a suspicion that she might go into shed soon. Averages every 37 days and she’s at 25 right now. Usually 8-10 day process and she’s looking kinda dark. I’ll bug her later and see how she looks


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12 days since feeding. shed, pooped, and ate today. Shed was like 12’ long. Face looks great for Phyllis. Also crawled all over her perches with no pushing in the entire 7 hours between shedding and eating haha.
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12 days since feeding. shed, pooped, and ate today. Shed was like 12’ long. Face looks great for Phyllis. Also crawled all over her perches with no pushing in the entire 7 hours between shedding and eating haha.
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Dude,

I love it! Digging the hardwood flooring, the bike and of course the setup.

She's really big, she makes Wallace, whom I believe is around 7-8', look small.

My hard drive is full so I can't post pictures for a bit, but I have some great perching and feeding shots.

Honestly Wallace is more arboreal than terrestrial the larger he gets.

Looks like you may have things under control finally!

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Originally Posted by Gio

Dude,

I love it! Digging the hardwood flooring, the bike and of course the setup.

She's really big, she makes Wallace, whom I believe is around 7-8', look small.

My hard drive is full so I can't post pictures for a bit, but I have some great perching and feeding shots.

Honestly Wallace is more arboreal than terrestrial the larger he gets.

Looks like you may have things under control finally!

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Let’s not jump the gun too fast. I fed her about 2 hours after she pooped so she may not have had time to work up an interest in pushing hah! Fingers crossed though
And yeah she’s huge. She makes Gerald look small and he’s 8’ and ~9lbs.


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She is so pretty, you have an amazing pair of critters love seeing them , do Gerald and Phllis ever eat on the same day? Just curious or my kids call it nosy :rofl: thank you ever so much for sharing ;)

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Originally Posted by C.Marie

She is so pretty, you have an amazing pair of critters love seeing them , do Gerald and Phllis ever eat on the same day? Just curious or my kids call it nosy :rofl: thank you ever so much for sharing ;)

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Thank you. I try to keep similar feeding schedules but Phyllis demands every 6 days and while Gerald would like that, I try to keep him at every 7-10 days. The ball python eats whenever he eats and the retics clean up whatever he doesn’t want hahah


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Awesome sauce, well a large and in charge lady gotta eat right? She is beautiful . I wonder if she too is try to fatten up to ovulate? Not implying you intend to breed but is that a possibility seeing I never had a retic I would not know but saw from someone on YouTube I think Jay they want to feast prior ? Thank you for your response and sharing your experience with this magical critters I really enjoyed :gj:

Looking really nice there. Love how the perch is used so much. What size is your cage there?

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Originally Posted by Skyrivers

Looking really nice there. Love how the perch is used so much. What size is your cage there?

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Thanks, cage is 72”x30”x18”


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Never. Stops. Pushing.
(Tears all hair out of head)
She ate four days ago. Pooped today. Is now continuing the never ending war path of pushing and destruction of her face...


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Originally Posted by jmcrook

Never. Stops. Pushing.
(Tears all hair out of head)
She ate four days ago. Pooped today. Is now continuing the never ending war path of pushing and destruction of her face...


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That's damn annoying!

I wish I had an answer.

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Originally Posted by Gio

That's damn annoying!

I wish I had an answer.

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I absolutely hate it. Makes for a very unenjoyable keeping experience


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Never. Stops. Pushing.
(Tears all hair out of head)
She ate four days ago. Pooped today. Is now continuing the never ending war path of pushing and destruction of her face...


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Man, that sucks. Does Phyllis lift and drop the corner of her shelf yet? That is Caesar's new thing. Guessing pushing was getting boring lol. Luckily, i think he can go close to 2 weeks now and hopefully my situation gets better. I decided to keep Caesar.

Try taking her out and completely rearrang everything in the cage. Black out the doors completely. Put a towel over her face. Put her back in so that she can get the towel off on her own. Then close her in. If she doesn't know the way out I hope she will stop pushing.

The only other thing I can think of is offer her a mate and see what happens.


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Phyllis is just a psycho retic lol. Caesar was psycho too but he has since more or less quit pushing. He still does it here and there but like i said, his new thing is to lift up a corner of the shelf and thump it up and down. So now he has a few scrape marks on the top of his head lol. Dude is just nuts.

Anything in the house capable of making a low-frequency vibration that might be bugging them

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Phyllis is just a psycho retic lol. Caesar was psycho too but he has since more or less quit pushing. He still does it here and there but like i said, his new thing is to lift up a corner of the shelf and thump it up and down. So now he has a few scrape marks on the top of his head lol. Dude is just nuts.

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Nah, Caesar usually only does it at night and not all the time. Some nights he is mellow, other nights, he just does his thing and cruises around and finds ways to get into trouble. Last night, he actually managed to break his silk vine in half. Rosey did it too. I swear, those 2 snakes break anything nice you give them.....it's like when they are angels, they are angels but when they are little devils, they are little devils to the 10 lol.

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Anything in the house capable of making a low-frequency vibration that might be bugging them

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Not that I know of. This behavior has persisted between two different states, two different cages, and three different residences now


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jmcrook, I know you have tried almost every possible thing but have you considered maybe it is a ventilation issue? These are animals that are very active and have a high metabolism which require more air than say a ball. Does she normally push where there might be airflow? If you catch her pushing how does she react when you open the door? Like will she just lay there for a few minutes with her head on the litter dam?

I know my little guy will be poking around the perimeter of the door where there is fresh air. If I open the door he will just lay there for a few minutes with his head up on the dam before he comes out exploring.

Maybe its a cycle. She gets fed and goes into a food coma for a few days. When she comes out of the food coma she gets active which depletes the concentration of O2 in the tank. That causes her to push at the door to try to get out. To stop the pushing she gets fed, and the cycle starts all over again.

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jmcrook, I know you have tried almost every possible thing but have you considered maybe it is a ventilation issue? These are animals that are very active and have a high metabolism which require more air than say a ball. Does she normally push where there might be airflow? If you catch her pushing how does she react when you open the door? Like will she just lay there for a few minutes with her head on the litter dam?

I know my little guy will be poking around the perimeter of the door where there is fresh air. If I open the door he will just lay there for a few minutes with his head up on the dam before he comes out exploring.

Maybe its a cycle. She gets fed and goes into a food coma for a few days. When she comes out of the food coma she gets active which depletes the concentration of O2 in the tank. That causes her to push at the door to try to get out. To stop the pushing she gets fed, and the cycle starts all over again.

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90% of the pushing is where the doors meet at the center brave of the cage (Animal Plastics T25). I run the fan in the room 24/7. If I open the door she’s out and about. Never just calmly rests at the litter dam. Out the door and straight up the cage stack. I’m really curious to see what would happen if she ate a 3lb rabbit. Working on finding a local supplier because I have no room in the freezer for a monster feeders order which is minimum 50lbs


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90% of the pushing is where the doors meet at the center brave of the cage (Animal Plastics T25). I run the fan in the room 24/7. If I open the door she’s out and about. Never just calmly rests at the litter dam. Out the door and straight up the cage stack. I’m really curious to see what would happen if she ate a 3lb rabbit. Working on finding a local supplier because I have no room in the freezer for a monster feeders order which is minimum 50lbs


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It’s insanity 🤬

And now the feeding is taking the SD part away a bit.

Try seeing if Cody would answer a PM and then see if you can call him.

I let her out to roam and she’s just been sitting on the top of the cage stack for an hour and a half or more. I may just let her have the whole room for the night so she doesn’t smash up her face...


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JM, I found an old thread on a UK forum with people suggesting:

-They pushing because they want to breed.
-Giving them a smaller hide so they fit snuggly
-And lastly a guy had to turn his viv on it's back so the glass was the roof and had to re-arrange the heat and lighting. And it made his retic stop pushing.

I don't know brother, is up to you to try this ones. Good luck!

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JM, I found an old thread on a UK forum with people suggesting:

-They pushing because they want to breed.
-Giving them a smaller hide so they fit snuggly
-And lastly a guy had to turn his viv on it's back so the glass was the roof and had to re-arrange the heat and lighting. And it made his retic stop pushing.

I don't know brother, is up to you to try this ones. Good luck!

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Yeah generally males will push when wanting to breed but some females will too.
Her hides are most definitely snug lol. She wears them like a hat. Kind of a Chris Farley fat guy in a little coat scenario.
It’s gotta be food, cage, or breeding related. Or all of the above. Part of me thinks there’s something about her cage environment that I can’t pinpoint. She was pushing all day, I let her out, and she calmly climbed to the top of the cages and then curled up and sat there for over two hours without moving. Was still there last I checked. I’m just letting her have the whole room tonight as it’s snake proof, she can’t get out or get into anything in there. Maybe she needs was cooler temps? Who knows, I’m at a loss here

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Yeah generally males will push when wanting to breed but some females will too.
Her hides are most definitely snug lol. She wears them like a hat. Kind of a Chris Farley fat guy in a little coat scenario.
It’s gotta be food, cage, or breeding related. Or all of the above. Part of me thinks there’s something about her cage environment that I can’t pinpoint. She was pushing all day, I let her out, and she calmly climbed to the top of the cages and then curled up and sat there for over two hours without moving. Was still there last I checked. I’m just letting her have the whole room tonight as it’s snake proof, she can’t get out or get into anything in there. Maybe she needs was cooler temps? Who knows, I’m at a loss here

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Keep us posted on the free roam all night and how it went.

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Man,,

I don’t think food. You would get other signs. When my dude is hungry he will measure me up and strike at the glass or need a lot of hook before I get him out.

There’s no way a SD should need that much food.

I think it stops the pushing but only because of the energy diverted to digestion.

That UK board suggestion may be good, but what a pain. Building your own cage would maybe help but again big pain.

Dude I feel bad for you.

Is there anything in her enclosure she avoids? Try simplifying things and give her the basics for a while. Have you tried changing the color of the enclosure? I know they don't see the way we do. How did she do last night being out? Did she stay up high all night? She might feel safer higher up. Building an arboreal cage might help? One where she can climb 4 to 5 feet up and sit on a ledge high up? It seams she likes being high up.

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Is there anything in her enclosure she avoids? Try simplifying things and give her the basics for a while. Have you tried changing the color of the enclosure? I know they don't see the way we do. How did she do last night being out? Did she stay up high all night? She might feel safer higher up. Building an arboreal cage might help? One where she can climb 4 to 5 feet up and sit on a ledge high up? It seams she likes being high up.

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He’s done all of this sans the much larger cage. He’s added perches moved stuff, moved cages.
It’s been going on for at least a year on and off.

The cage situation for him right now is tough. He moved around with work a bit and is living single.

Maybe when he plants his roots he can build something big.

T-65 is excessive but maybe needed for this girl.

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He’s done all of this sans the much larger cage. He’s added perches moved stuff, moved cages.
It’s been going on for at least a year on and off.

The cage situation for him right now is tough. He moved around with work a bit and is living single.

Maybe when he plants his roots he can build something big.

T-65 is excessive but maybe needed for this girl.

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I get it. Being on the road with pets is tough. I am grateful that I am not on the road with all my zoo. I am working on something big. Cant wait to reveal after done in a couple of months. I am keeping it modular so I can move it when I find a house that was not hurt by last years hurricane. Just brain storming trying to help.

I wonder if live plants would help. It did with my grumpy super fire BP.

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I get it. Being on the road with pets is tough. I am grateful that I am not on the road with all my zoo. I am working on something big. Cant wait to reveal after done in a couple of months. I am keeping it modular so I can move it when I find a house that was not hurt by last years hurricane. Just brain storming trying to help.

I wonder if live plants would help. It did with my grumpy super fire BP.

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Cool you are building something. Make it tall. Can’t wait to see it.

JM will love boas after this retic insanity 😂

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Cool you are building something. Make it tall. Can’t wait to see it.

JM will love boas after this retic insanity ��

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Lets just say I can put a kiddie pool inside for Rainbow and she will have plenty of room to move around and climb. She thought her cage was larger when I first got her. Now it is time for amazing. Having so much fun.

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I believe it. She wants to be up high as I suspected. She needs a taller cage with a shelf to perch on.

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Excellent.
She also doesn’t look as huge as I thought she was.
Maybe she doesn’t like AP caging lol.

Seriously though something must be bothering her inside or entertaining her inside.
I’m going to watch the first Ace Ventura Pet Detcive movie and see if I can find an answer 👍

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Originally Posted by Skyrivers

I believe it. She wants to be up high as I suspected. She needs a taller cage with a shelf to perch on.

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Seems to be the case. There’s no way I can do a 6’ tall cage though. Maybe 4’. Jeez... I’m gonna have to think hard about this. I love the hell out of this critter but my god, she’s more work than a damn dog sometimes


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Originally Posted by Gio

Excellent.
She also doesn’t look as huge as I thought she was.
Maybe she doesn’t like AP caging lol.

Seriously though something must be bothering her inside or entertaining her inside.
I’m going to watch the first Ace Ventura Pet Detcive movie and see if I can find an answer [emoji106]

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Lol relative to a small bedroom she doesn’t look big. Get her back in her cage and she looks enormous. She might really need a 6’x3’x4’ but Jesus Christ that’s a big ass cage!


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Seems to be the case. There’s no way I can do a 6’ tall cage though. Maybe 4’. Jeez... I’m gonna have to think hard about this. I love the hell out of this critter but my god, she’s more work than a damn dog sometimes


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Get a book shelf that is 5 feet tall. Secure the shelves and cut a path for her to climb on. Put a glass door on the front with hinges. Home depot has the glass sheets that would work. Cut most of the shelf away so that she can see down between the layers. Cheap, lightweight, and efficient. Just make sure the shelves are at least 18 inches deep and I think she will be fine her size.