Is There Such Thing?

Is there such thing of a 100% pewter ball python?

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Is there such thing of a 100% pewter ball python?

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Pewter is nothing more than visuals of both Pastel and Cinnamon Pastel in one.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...er-pastel.html

Dude sorry dont get what your saying all i want to know is there such thing of a 100% pewter ball python? its a yes or no question

may i ask where you got the 100% pewter thing? just kinda curious... :)

no there isnt

well saw it on a add on a different website.

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Dude sorry dont get what your saying all i want to know is there such thing of a 100% pewter ball python? its a yes or no question

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No it isn't, it's a bogus/confusing question.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Pewter is nothing more than visuals of both Pastel and Cinnamon Pastel in one.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...er-pastel.html

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This is the answer.

In order to be a pewter...the snake MUST carry the pastel gene and it MUST carry the cinny gene. It's either got 'em and will look like a pewter...or it doesn't.

In the BP world, 100% refers to the percent-chance an animal has to be "het" for a trait (such as albino). In that case, a 100% het for albino means it is carrying the gene for albino, but doesn't look like an albino.

If someone says a pewter is 100% pewter...they either don't know what they're talking about and are mixing up terminology....OR, they're trying to convince you that a snake is "het" for pewter...and there is no such thing.

As plenty of other people have said already, the terminology there is confusing at best. I don't really have anything to add as to the question, but in case someone hasn't linked you to here yet, check this out, it will help you understand what everyone is saying:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=52847

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Pewter is nothing more than visuals of both Pastel and Cinnamon Pastel in one.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...er-pastel.html

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Simpson Balls.......Re: Is There Such Thing?

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Dude sorry dont get what your saying all i want to know is there such thing of a 100% pewter ball python? Its a yes or no question

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Well "Dude" if his answer didnt answer your question i would seriously consider finding another hobby cause what he said was pretty plain and simple .. and if you couldnt understand his answer then you wont be able to understand other genetics .. sorry but its true ..


if you really want in this hobby you should seriously read up on stuff for at least a year and then decide what you want to buy when you have a bit more understanding of what you want to get into ..just my opinion

Dude you do not stop do you? So after being led to some great resources you still want to clutter the board up with your complete disregard to the information before you and then follow it up with disrespectful replies. Your answer...no there is no such thing as a 100% Pewter...there is a Pewter morph which, as everyone already pointed out to you 1,2,3,4...5 times, is a CinnyXPastel.

Read something, damn.

The hostility needs to settle down, please.

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Originally Posted by Nate

The hostility needs to settle down, please.

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*THWACK* You just got MODERATED!


All jokes aside, no hostility here. Just frustration when the time taken to post a reply and or link to valuable information gets completely wasted by a post such as this one, where the OP disregarded all info presented to him in a previous thread.

[ over and over and over and over and over again]

here is a 100% Pewter, which is 50% Pastel and 50% Cinnamon Pastel lol does this help

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...DSC01094-1.jpg

his replies could have been worded a little different to sound a little more respectful of people he was asking questions to... but then again we didnt really answer his question
apparently he only wanted to know if it was or wasnt a morph and didnt care about why or why not...

to the OP, learn as much as you can on your own. Its ok to ask for a starting place and someone can point you in the right direction (which someone did) and then go from there.

Coming on here and asking question after question about "basic" things can bring the bad side out of people (like it has).

If your having trouble with punnet squares you could ask and there are many people who would help you out with that. I say that because in your other thread you listed a bunch of snakes and said what would i get with this...this... and this...

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

here is a 100% Pewter, which is 50% Pastel and 50% Cinnamon Pastel lol does this help

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...DSC01094-1.jpg

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I was gonna say something along that line in the first thread, but opted out. You funny man!

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Originally Posted by matt71915

his replies could have been worded a little different to sound a little more respectful of people he was asking questions to... but then again we didnt really answer his question
apparently he only wanted to know if it was or wasnt a morph and didnt care about why or why not...

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But..but.. we did. Everyone did. He knew since last thread that A PEWTER IS A CINNY X PASTEL. Everyone replied and gave them their best answer. It just wasn't instant gratification and involved him learning the answer for his question AND THEN SOME. Frankly, I seem to get hotheaded quickly over ignorance and am probably heading down the negative path as far as reputations go...but I will answer a million questions if the answer is received and implemented. I will always get frustrated if I watch someone get spoon fed answers but they refuse to pick it up/learn.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

I was gonna say something along that line in the first thread, but opted out. You funny man!

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I try I try lol

What The hell is everyones problem? i ask if there is 100% pewter and it turns into to a riot. cmon now.

:colbert::colbert::colbert::colbert::colbert: to all

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

What The hell is everyones problem? i ask if there is 100% pewter and it turns into to a riot. cmon now.

:colbert::colbert::colbert::colbert::colbert: to all

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You know I think the most frustrating thing about responding and or helping you out is that your original username was Ball Python Expert. It was almost like a "Hell yeah, new person to help everyone out."

Oh, the disappointment.

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But..but.. We did. Everyone did. He knew since last thread that A PEWTER IS A CINNY X PASTEL. Everyone replied and gave them their best answer. It just wasn't instant gratification and involved him learning the answer for his question AND THEN SOME. Frankly, I seem to get hotheaded quickly over ignorance and am probably heading down the negative path as far as reputations go...but I will answer a million questions if the answer is received and implemented. I will always get frustrated if I watch someone get spoon fed answers but they refuse to pick it up/learn.

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I agree with you that he shouldnt be "spoon fed answers" and i think he should learn on his own, like i have said a couple times along with others...

we did inform him that a pewter is a pastel x cinny but by his question on is there something such as a "100%" pewter..... it sounds like he was asking about the 100% part in this thread.

yes he would learn that it isnt really possible if he started reading about genetics and all but he saw it somewhere and was curious

I think people on here get a little too fired up from noobs on here sometimes. This is the first time ive seen HIM ask for all these questions. BUT then again he should have read more carful and he wouldve got his answers. I believe in second chances...

I think the OP should speek up and defend himself+ clear things up, i feel bad bashing on him when he probably meant no harm.

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Originally Posted by matt71915

I agree with you that he shouldnt be "spoon fed answers" and i think he should learn on his own, like i have said a couple times along with others...

we did inform him that a pewter is a pastel x cinny but by his question on is there something such as a "100%" pewter..... it sounds like he was asking about the 100% part in this thread.

yes he would learn that it isnt really possible if he started reading about genetics and all but he saw it somewhere and was curious

I think people on here get a little too fired up from noobs on here sometimes. This is the first time ive seen HIM ask for all these questions. BUT then again he should have read more carful and he wouldve got his answers. I believe in second chances...

I think the OP should speek up and defend himself+ clear things up, i feel bad bashing on him when he probably meant no harm.

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pretty much in agreement with this statement :gj:

Isn't this forum MEANT for ASKING QUESTIONS?

Stop getting fired up for no reason. Your putting yourself down to the same level by doing so.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Pewter is nothing more than visuals of both Pastel and Cinnamon Pastel in one.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...er-pastel.html

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Hey on NERD's website it says "first produced by graziani reptiles" but wasnt it firt produced by Brian at BHB? Sorry if im wrong but i coulda sworn i heard that somewhere...

thank you "The Viper House"

to the OP:
i dont think you have much room to :colbert: us right now....
Go re-read the things i said in your other thread, i said there couldnt be a "100% pewter", and told you why, along with giving you more options to start learning your genetics so you won't have to ask these types of questions again

if your going to ask questions and you happen to be new and not know a whole lot, it might benefit you to read what people say and if you dont understand something, ask in a polite way and give respect to the people who are taking the time to answer your questions

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Isn't this forum MEANT for ASKING QUESTIONS?

Stop getting fired up for no reason. Your putting yourself down to the same level by doing so.
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yes it is but when you ask for a bunch of simple questions that he can easily find on his own, it does get a little frusterating. Instead of just handing out the answers we tried to put him in the right direction to find the answer on his own, so he wouldnt always have to rely on the people on this forum for simple answers

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

Well "Dude" if his answer didnt answer your question i would seriously consider finding another hobby cause what he said was pretty plain and simple .. and if you couldnt understand his answer then you wont be able to understand other genetics .. sorry but its true ..


if you really want in this hobby you should seriously read up on stuff for at least a year and then decide what you want to buy when you have a bit more understanding of what you want to get into ..just my opinion

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WOAH!WOAH!WOAH! "consider finding another hobby"??????? Whats your problem man? Just b/c he couldnt understand the guys answer doesnt mean he's not going to be able to understand genetics! And then your basically telling him to go learn about genetics..... Do you realize what your saying? I think he is trying to learn about genetics by asking questions, dont you think? I mean c'mon, the guys obviously a beginner, and you were once too, you werent born knowing genetics, were you? So never turn people away from this beautiful hobby for silliness like that! Your on a Reptile Forum! People come here to ask questions like that, so they can learn!
~Brandon

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Originally Posted by matt71915

I think people on here get a little too fired up from noobs on here sometimes. This is the first time ive seen HIM ask for all these questions. BUT then again he should have read more carful and he wouldve got his answers. I believe in second chances...

I think the OP should speek up and defend himself+ clear things up, i feel bad bashing on him when he probably meant no harm.

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Here's day 1 with BP Expert. title: "What morphs should I breed"
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92384

And this is where he became a subject expert:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...18#post1063918
this is where said subject expert hatched 9/10 spiders...with 7 of them being female.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...12#post1064812

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Isn't this forum MEANT for ASKING QUESTIONS?

Stop getting fired up for no reason. Your putting yourself down to the same level by doing so.

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You know what, you are absolutely correct. It is a place to learn, grow and expand your knowledge and love for your hobby, whatever it may be. It is not a place to have people think for you.

If Simpson hasn't learned to crawl, he shouldn't sprint.

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Originally Posted by DBD

WOAH!WOAH!WOAH! "consider finding another hobby"??????? Whats your problem man? Just b/c he couldnt understand the guys answer doesnt mean he's not going to be able to understand genetics! And then your basically telling him to go learn about genetics..... Do you realize what your saying? I think he is trying to learn about genetics by asking questions, dont you think? I mean c'mon, the guys obviously a beginner, and you were once too, you werent born knowing genetics, were you? So never turn people away from this beautiful hobby for silliness like that! Your on a Reptile Forum! People come here to ask questions like that, so they can learn!
~Brandon

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Dude...just go look at the kid's other posts, and understand that he is a beginner who knows everything and refused to learn anything about what he asks.

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Originally Posted by DBD

Hey on NERD's website it says "first produced by graziani reptiles" but wasnt it firt produced by Brian at BHB? Sorry if im wrong but i coulda sworn i heard that somewhere...

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Yeah, it can get confusing with who made what, way back when (if that makes sense). NERD is correct, though. Graziani was the first to produce the Pastel, Cinnamon, and the Pewter (Pastel Cinnamon).

http://www.grazianireptiles.com/coll...tel_jungle.htm
http://www.grazianireptiles.com/collection/cinnamon.htm
http://www.grazianireptiles.com/coll...ter_pastel.htm

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Originally Posted by DBD

Hey on NERD's website it says "first produced by graziani reptiles" but wasnt it firt produced by Brian at BHB? Sorry if im wrong but i coulda sworn i heard that somewhere...

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Well Greg produced the first cinny x pastel pewter

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Dude...just go look at the kid's other posts, and understand that he is a beginner who knows everything and refused to learn anything about what he asks.

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Well from what i've seen on this thread is all my last post accounted for... I didnt realize he says he's been breeding for 7 years HAHA, that kinda changes the story... But, I just wanted to make a point to viper, that you shouldn't ever turn someone away from the hobby, and that everyone is able to learn about genetics, some slower than others, and that no one is born knowing it...

pavlovk1025
i never saw that second thread you posted.... now i see why you got so frusterated lol

to the OP.... if you've been breeding for 7 years like you said you have then how do you not know how to do punnet squares to answer your breeding questions?
and i would think one would know that there is no such thing as a 100% pewter after 7 years of breeding and probably 7+ years of bp keeping.. assuming you owned them before you started breeding..

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Originally Posted by DBD

Well from what i've seen on this thread is all my last post accounted for... Im not going to go scan his profile to see how many simple questions he asked but i just wanted to make a point to viper, that you shouldn't ever turn someone away from the hobby, and that everyone is able to learn about genetics, some slower than others, and that no one is born knowing it...

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Fair enough. But if you just couldn't get something even after someone had done it for you...when do you give up?

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Originally Posted by matt71915

pavlovk1025
i never saw that second thread you posted.... now i see why you got so frusterated lol

to the OP.... if you've been breeding for 7 years like you said you have then how do you not know how to do punnet squares to answer your breeding questions?
and i would think one would know that there is no such thing as a 100% pewter after 7 years of breeding and probably 7+ years of bp keeping.. assuming you owned them before you started breeding..

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After all the crap he claims, everyone here is still willing to answer his questions. Just wish he would lissssteeeen.

i agree, he needs to listen when he asks for help..

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Fair enough. But if you just couldn't get something even after someone had done it for you...when do you give up?



After all the crap he claims, everyone here is still willing to answer his questions. Just wish he would lissssteeeen.

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I just checked out some of the links you posted to some of his posts! OMG! I cant believe i defended this kid! lol I thought he was just an innocent beginner asking a question, but i never realized he's been breeding ball pythons for past 7 years and has gotten better odds than Ralph Davis! 2.7 Bumblebees and 1 normal from a spider x pastel! WOW! I wonder what he ate for breakfast that morning after he woke up....

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Originally Posted by DBD

Well from what i've seen on this thread is all my last post accounted for... I didnt realize he says he's been breeding for 7 years HAHA, that kinda changes the story... But, I just wanted to make a point to viper, that you shouldn't ever turn someone away from the hobby, and that everyone is able to learn about genetics, some slower than others, and that no one is born knowing it...

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well i dont normally tend to jump the gun , when i type something its for a reason , my whole point is if that he cant get his answer by the answers already handed to him on a silver platter thats not being slow ," thats being ignorant to the fact " and hense if hes going to be ignorant to people offering help then he needs to pick himself up and out and find something else more along his lines cause its apparent that Reptiles is not his forte'

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

well i dont normally tend to jump the gun , when i type something its for a reason , my whole point is if that he cant get his answer by the answers already handed to him on a silver platter thats not being slow ," thats being ignorant to the fact " and hense if hes going to be ignorant to people offering help then he needs to pick himself up and out and find something else more along his lines cause its apparent that Reptiles is not his forte'

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Yea man sorry for jumping at you like that haha but im not sure if you read my last post....

"I thought he was just an innocent beginner asking a question, but i never realized he's been breeding ball pythons for past 7 years and has gotten better odds than Ralph Davis! 2.7 Bumblebees and 1 normal from a spider x pastel! WOW! I wonder what he ate for breakfast that morning after he woke up...."

~Brandon

Guys,

Go to his profile page, click on the little white arrow next to "user lists" scroll to the bottom and select "Add To Ignore List" and you need never see any post he makes ever again - and he can do the same to you.

Now, for those of us who cannot do that and have to read all of this bickering, please just stop.

If you do not want to answer a thread then don't - there are enough of us here to cover it for you.

If you cannot resist then we will simply have to lock the thread or infract if it really decends to that level.


dr del

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Originally Posted by DBD

Yea man sorry for jumping at you like that haha but im not sure if you read my last post....

"I thought he was just an innocent beginner asking a question, but i never realized he's been breeding ball pythons for past 7 years and has gotten better odds than Ralph Davis! 2.7 Bumblebees and 1 normal from a spider x pastel! WOW! I wonder what he ate for breakfast that morning after he woke up...."

~Brandon

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its cool i read your post right after i posted mine LOL .. i read all his other posts on the other ads which is why i said what i said in the first place . i seen it already .. but its all good no hard feelings to ya DBD ..

agree with DBD:gj:

im very sorry i tried defending you

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

its cool i read your post right after i posted mine LOL .. i read all his other posts on the other ads which is why i said what i said in the first place . i seen it already .. but its all good no hard feelings to ya DBD ..

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Yea bro, no hard feelings :)
~Brandon

:sabduel: :D :rofl::rofl: :D

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

:sabduel: :D :rofl::rofl: :D

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He's also got a youtube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/SimpsonReptilesTV

I talked to this kid before... I though he was a legit kid up until i saw his posts... Oh well...

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Originally Posted by DBD

He's also got a youtube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/SimpsonReptilesTV

Hm... His collection list only says:
1.0 Pastel Ball Python
1.0 Okeetee 100% Het Albino Corn Snake
0.1 Bearded Dragon

I coulda sworn hes got bees, pastels, spiders, norms, etc...
I do believe this is the same kid, both are simpson, and the names are both daniel.... I thought this kid was pretty cool up until i saw his other posts... Oh well...

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LOL ya hes deffinitly not 1 of those worth trying to help .. He kinda reminds me of those people who scam people out of their reptiles , that you read about all over the different forums .. 1 of those famous lines

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He was a real cool person to talk to and then we made the deal and he never sent his end out

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kinda things ..deffinitly 1 for the BAD VIBE colum ...He deffinitly picked a good name Simpsons LOL DOHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you not see dr. del's post? Knock it off. This is not a place to bash someone. I agree with all thats been said, but I've held my tounge. I suggest you do the same. Let the thread die, and be supportive and help out, regardless of what hes said or done. All you've done is start a flame war, and spread hate. Again not the place for it.

I understand the frustration with him, but if you keep this stuff up, all your going to do is get in trouble.

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Originally Posted by Bleepr

Did you not see dr. del's post? Knock it off. This is not a place to bash someone. I agree with all thats been said, but I've held my tounge. I suggest you do the same. Let the thread die, and be supportive and help out, regardless of what hes said or done. All you've done is start a flame war, and spread hate. Again not the place for it.

I understand the frustration with him, but if you keep this stuff up, all your going to do is get in trouble.

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Thread Officially ends now.

DUDE!!!!!!!.................. Where's my car????





Sorry, just a tension breaker.

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Originally Posted by Bleepr

Did you not see dr. del's post? Knock it off. This is not a place to bash someone. I agree with all thats been said, but I've held my tounge. I suggest you do the same. Let the thread die, and be supportive and help out, regardless of what hes said or done. All you've done is start a flame war, and spread hate. Again not the place for it.

I understand the frustration with him, but if you keep this stuff up, all your going to do is get in trouble.

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Thank you, Bleepr. I was about to post something very similar to that.

It happens that some members are not easy to deal with or talk to. It happens that some members will not appreciate your advice or help, even when they ask for it specifically. This isn't the first and certainly won't be the last.

What makes BP.net special is when we can let stuff like this go. Yes, it can get annoying. Frustrations were expressed...and that needs to be the end of it. To carry it beyond, to the point of mocking someone and continuing to deride them.....does nothing except make the entire site look hostile and unwelcoming.

Yeah. Keep the peace! And I didn't know about ignore Del. Im on it!