Scaleless BP

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Located from: http://www.bluechameleon.org

Courtesy of: Eugene Bessette

:weirdface weird...

I wanna touch it :P

its been posted on here a few times...
only one picture...
kind of wierd...
idk, never really heard anything about it.

wild!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder how he got that mutation

it looks like its made of foam.

That thing must feel really cool. :O But one rat bite could be HUGE trouble

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Originally Posted by lenastorms

:weirdface weird...

I wanna touch it :P

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thats what she said...anyone anyone...:P:D

I wonder...does it shed?

Not gonna comment on this one:rage:

i would think it would be very delicate without scales.

ive seen pics of it before but im not sure if it is the same one.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Not gonna comment on this one:rage:

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i hear ya.

this isnt the same one thats been posted before is it....
It looks different, have they proved this to be genetic????

waaacckkk

the post not to long ago made it seem like the orginal one tried but never knocked up the female. so....might be sterile.

honestly this is the only kinda ball id never produce..
and hope they can never find a way to produce em, cuz greed rules all and im sure people will spend a pretty penny for those snakes

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Not gonna comment on this one:rage:

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you just did. :D

Eh doesn't do it for me.

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Originally Posted by azpythons

honestly this is the only kinda ball id never produce..
and hope they can never find a way to produce em, cuz greed rules all and im sure people will spend a pretty penny for those snakes

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if all goes will they won't be able to reproduce. hopfully they will be sterile.

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Originally Posted by azpythons

honestly this is the only kinda ball id never produce..
and hope they can never find a way to produce em, cuz greed rules all and im sure people will spend a pretty penny for those snakes

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Just curious about why you have a problem with it and would consider anyone breeding it just doing it out of greed? Seems to have a totally normal life aside from not having scales why shouldn't it be bred? I can't wait to own and breed these one day. For me, I would rather breed these than a spinning/wobbling spider any day.

The picture was taken by Bill Love, who is apparently going to be at NARBC Arlington next week. Maybe he can provide some kind of update????

Steve

Is this kinda like the Derma Ball? You guys know what i'm talking about? I'll see if I can find a picture.

Couldn't link for some reason.. wouldn't paste. Just go to google and type it in.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Just curious about why you have a problem with it and would consider anyone breeding it just doing it out of greed? Seems to have a totally normal life aside from not having scales why shouldn't it be bred? I can't wait to own and breed these one day. For me, I would rather breed these than a spinning/wobbling spider any day.

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I guess i just think it looks nasty...
I guess if it is capable of living normally...then I guess theres nothing wrong with it....
I guess i guess a lot huh?

Nah but i retract my first statement and heres what i mean

Id never breed this, looks nasty..

i'm under the same questioning as pfan151 as to what the issue is as far as not breeding these? it seems to me to be an awesome snake unless we're missing some detail?

i heard people, who i assume know a lot more than me, bring up good arguments against breeding this, such as health reasons..the derma ball someone mentioned that is like this lacked heat pits...didnt check on this one, and the skin probably isnt tough as scales...though it might be actually, maybe the skin is pretty strong> maybe they have heat pits??
guess im jus still in the its nasty column...imo

It probably doesn't have heat pits, because the actual pits or holes are formed by scales. However, at the back of the pits on a normal snake, there is still some skin that covers the area the receives the heat signature. I am sure these snakes can still snese heat, but do not have the scales to form the appearance of a hole or pit.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

It probably doesn't have heat pits, because the actual pits or holes are formed by scales. However, at the back of the pits on a normal snake, there is still some skin that covers the area the receives the heat signature. I am sure these snakes can still snese heat, but do not have the scales to form the appearance of a hole or pit.

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that makes a lotta sense

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Originally Posted by muddoc

It probably doesn't have heat pits, because the actual pits or holes are formed by scales. However, at the back of the pits on a normal snake, there is still some skin that covers the area the receives the heat signature. I am sure these snakes can still snese heat, but do not have the scales to form the appearance of a hole or pit.

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Exactly what I believe as well. It would be interesting to try to feed it an unheated room temp FT rat and see if there is a difference in feeding response with a heated up rat. I would think that would put the heat pit issue to rest one way or the other.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Exactly what I believe as well. It would be interesting to try to feed it an unheated room temp FT rat and see if there is a difference in feeding response with a heated up rat. I would think that would put the heat pit issue to rest one way or the other.

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hell yea.
lets get to it.

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Originally Posted by schulte5000

thats what she said...anyone anyone...:P:D

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One of the best ones I've heard!

It is kinda cool looking.

That’s a very cool looking snake.

I wonder if it’s co-dom like the bearded dragon (Can’t remember morph name)!?

I want to touch it. A lot. O_o It's kind of confusing looking. Because I want to touch it, but I don't, but I do.

i still think it looks like a pathetic animal. If it was just some kinda "freak of nature" snake, one of kind, not being produced, I wouldnt think it was too bad. I just think alot of complications could come up with a snake missing scales. And lessons will probably be learned along the way in trying to breed it in the expense of the animals.

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Originally Posted by Sprinkles_Mum

i still think it looks like a pathetic animal. If it was just some kinda "freak of nature" snake, one of kind, not being produced, I wouldnt think it was too bad. I just think alot of complications could come up with a snake missing scales. And lessons will probably be learned along the way in trying to breed it in the expense of the animals.

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I'm not too sure see...
We are scaleless, and we get along fine.
Hairless rats get along fine.
Moles, with virtually no hair, survive fine..

The only thing that would need to be worried about is burning, which shouldn't happen at proper temperatures anyway. It would probably also be fed f/t.
If the animal is healthy, and doesn't have problems without scales, what is wrong with it?

People thought snakes were a 'freak of nature' when they first saw them, I mean come on... how many stories tell of the snake being evil? People tend to fear what they do not understand.

If this snake is not healthy, and cannot survive well and thrive in a proper environment, then I think it should never be bred or produced.
If not, I have no problem with it.

I don't know, if the animal is ok then I'm fine with that. The animal has the right to live just as well as a scaled snake. Breeding it to get more and knowing they have problems with something altogether different though. I'm not saying they have problems at all, I'm just saying I wouldn't breed anything with health problems. Looks cool to me though.

It's the "Purple Haze" produced by Eugene Bessette. There was an episode of Reptile Radio where he talked about it a little bit. He produced it himself and believes it to be recessive. Not the same as the derma ball. The derma ball had patches of scales here and there, this one is completely scaleless, just like the scaleless corn and rat snakes out there. It eats, poops, and sheds just fine. If I remember right, it's a female so it will be a couple years before she's bred back to the father.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I'm not too sure see...
We are scaleless, and we get along fine.
Hairless rats get along fine.
Moles, with virtually no hair, survive fine..

The only thing that would need to be worried about is burning, which shouldn't happen at proper temperatures anyway. It would probably also be fed f/t.
If the animal is healthy, and doesn't have problems without scales, what is wrong with it?

People thought snakes were a 'freak of nature' when they first saw them, I mean come on... how many stories tell of the snake being evil? People tend to fear what they do not understand.

If this snake is not healthy, and cannot survive well and thrive in a proper environment, then I think it should never be bred or produced.
If not, I have no problem with it.

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of course we are scaleless lol..weve never had them...
moles , which are almost hairless are like that in the wild,
its an evolution thing.

im just not too into changing and playing around with genetics to the point where you are changing the basics of an animal. snakes have scales. cats have fur. humans have hair. thats just the hippy in me talking I guess.

it has nothing to do with being scared or not understanding etc to me. it just is not a snake to me. its just a silly project to change something thats already fine.

There are fur-less cats...at least one member on here has one (or will soon)

I think if it can eat and grow just fine, what's wrong with it.

It's not something that we have "created". No one has modified the genes of this animal past breeding it...which means that this snake is 'genetically modified' just like the pied or the albino. It isn't any more of a freak than any of the other morphs, it's just that instead of changing the color or pattern, it has changed the scales.

changing colour to me is one thing. changing the physical appearance is another. i PERSONALLY dont agree with it. just like i think those cats with no fur are hideous ;)

I wonder is that the same derma ball that has been posted before? Its a different pic than I have seen and looks more....scaleless. Poor things I though they died like the pearls. I think it was the pearl that dies.

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Originally Posted by Sprinkles_Mum

changing colour to me is one thing. changing the physical appearance is another. i PERSONALLY dont agree with it. just like i think those cats with no fur are hideous ;)

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Its like petting your arm. lol.

or petting a wrinkly old person arm. lol

wrinkles....awesome.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Just curious about why you have a problem with it and would consider anyone breeding it just doing it out of greed?

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Originally Posted by aaschmitt

i'm under the same questioning as pfan151 as to what the issue is as far as not breeding these? it seems to me to be an awesome snake unless we're missing some detail?

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I'm probably gonna' get crushed for this, but here goes....

I would not breed this BP. Color morphs are one thing, but this is a serious defect. No different than an Albino born without eyes....don't see a lot of people lining up to make more of those. Now I know there's a school of thought that says all color morphs are defects as well, because they don't look like a Normal. Not a school of thought that I subscribe to, but I'm sure that arguemnt will be brought up.

To me a BP born without scales or heat pits is the same as a human born with flippers...it just ain't right.

Having said all that, I have no doubt someone will breed this little freak, provided it's not sterile (one can always hope), and people will line up to pay stupid amounts of money for them. To each their own...you won't have to stand in line behind me to buy one.

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Originally Posted by Slim

I'm probably gonna' get crushed for this, but here goes....

I would not breed this BP. Color morphs are one thing, but this is a serious defect. No different than an Albino born without eyes....don't see a lot of people lining up to make more of those. Now I know there's a school of thought that says all color morphs are defects as well, because they don't look like a Normal. Not a school of thought that I subscribe to, but I'm sure that arguemnt will be brought up.

To me a BP born without scales or heat pits is the same as a human born with flippers...it just ain't right.

Having said all that, I have no doubt someone will breed this little freak, provided it's not sterile (one can always hope), and people will line up to pay stupid amounts of money for them. To each their own...you won't have to stand in line behind me to buy one.

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dont worry, i agree. as i said in my post before. a snake with out scales to me just isnt right.

looks like someone sanded it lol

Me and my future wife are going to try and produce a skinless human.

Should be cool. :cool:

I heard that it is healthy and eats without issue. I do not think that it is an anymore danger from a rat bite then any other ball python. If anyone has ever seen, or seen a picture, of a ball python with a rat bite, the scales do not seem to help. The teeth will go right through them.

I think the scaleless ball pythons is very cool, and would love to have one.

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Originally Posted by Slim

I'm probably gonna' get crushed for this, but here goes.....

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I agree with you.

I'd be way too worried about things that could be wrong with it that I can't see...it's nifty, but I don't think I'd want one O.o

This really isn't fair to the mites. I mean without scales.. where is there to hide? Ticks too. They just stand no chance.

I hate these snakes.