Which is the most interesting Super Secret Project?

I was discussing this with a friend of mine.

Which super secret project(PICK ONE!!!) is just the one project that you would LOVE to know the ingredients to?

(This also follows the whole SS/Specter Thread, as I would LOVE to have a SS. Those things are killer! :P)


Examples of super secret projects include:

The Inferno
Purple Passion
The Super Stripe (although not so secret, kinda)
etc.. etc...

I would have to say the Inferno...

I would love to know what it takes to produce one but I'm sure its just a matter of time before NERD lets it out of the bag. Such teases in this reptile business :)

The Enchi-Inferno - that's HAWT!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

The Enchi-Inferno - that's HAWT!

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that's what I was going to say! but then i figured the enchi-ferno is just an enchi inferno :)

Justin

since i only know 2 of the 3 listed, and I hardly cruise kingsnake unless the bf shows me something cool. I would have to say the "riddler" (is that what they call it?) but most importantly the "inferno"
Gaaawd that inferno is soooo hot!

I'd say inferno...

I think I have an idea of the purple passion... Kev's line of super phantom...maybe with a few "special" genes in the mix...thats all speculation however.:D

I really like the inferno but I'd personally love to know whatever happened with Ralph Davis' labyrinth clutch... :)

I'd say inferno too. Though I'd love to see how the super stripe works out. Someone on another forum did point out that Kevin published his inferno ingredients in the German version of his book and those were Woma, Pastel, and Yellow Belly. However he also mentioned that that might not be ALL the ingredients. We'll probably have to wait until someone else produces one to find out for sure.

Mark

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Originally Posted by Rapture

I really like the inferno but I'd personally love to know whatever happened with Ralph Davis' labyrinth clutch... :)

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I thought I read something on Ralph's site about him putting this project to bed, something about busy patterned offspring but no "labyrinth" by definition being passed on.

What does the inferno and purple passion look like?

I want to know both the inferno and purple passion.. yummmmy

I'd like to know about that Crystal ball...what is that special female???

Inferno, I love it and will have one someday (as soon as I learn what the combo is and can start working on it, lol).

Yellowbelly pastel woma is the Inferno.

Inferno, Angel Of Death, and Crystal Ball.

I'd like to know what the "Lucy" looks like to make the "Super Lucy"

I love the super stripe so thats my pick

Enchi Inferno! :)

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Originally Posted by monk90222

I'd like to know about that Crystal ball...what is that special female???

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The special female is either the same thing or another version of the "hidden gene", or "dilute gene" as others call it, found in the Original Platty Daddy. Have you seen the Butter Daddy?

Basically, as the theory goes, the Lesser, Butter, Mojave, Phantom, etc... anything that makes a Blue Eyed Leucistic... are all the same thing, just slightly varied. Like, when you breed a Lesser to a Mojave, you get a homozygous BEL not a Double Het BEL.

Well, the "Hidden gene" is another variation of the Lesser, Butter, Mojave, Phantom, etc... just it's invisible in its heterozygous and homozygous form... UNLESS it's paired with Lesser, Butter, Mojave, Phantom, etc.

The Platty Daddy, the Butter Daddy, and the Crystal Ball are all homozygous FORMS of the Blue Eyed Leucistic gene. Just like breeding a Lesser to a Mojave makes a homozygous Blue Eyed Leucistic, breeding a Lesser to a "Hidden" makes a homozygous Platty Daddy. Breeding a Butter to a "Hidden" makes a homozygous Butter Daddy, and breeding a Mojave to a "Hidden" makes a homozygous Crystal Ball.

Interesting...

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Originally Posted by Harold

Yellowbelly pastel woma is the Inferno.

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Except, I'm sure they said they did not use a pastel to make it. :weirdface

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The special female is either the same thing or another version of the "hidden gene", or "dilute gene" as others call it, found in the Original Platty Daddy. Have you seen the Butter Daddy?

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I think you're wrong about that due to the fact that a lesser platinum crystal has been produced already and it looks nothing like a platinum

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Except, I'm sure they said they did not use a pastel to make it.

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But that's what Kevin claimed was one of the ingredients in the German version of his ball python manual.

I am not stabbing in the dark with the Yellow belly, Pastel, Woma.
Here is the book Mark S. was referring to.

I was gonna say Crystal, but I guess it's been touched...

Actually, I really don't care what makes Crystal - I just like looking at pictures of her! =)

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Interesting...

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ditto!

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Originally Posted by RGreen454ss

I'd like to know what the "Lucy" looks like to make the "Super Lucy"

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lucy is the super form of a few morphs.
Lesser
Mojave
Fire
And a couple others I believe, cant remember everything at the moment

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Originally Posted by MarkS

But that's what Kevin claimed was one of the ingredients in the German version of his ball python manual.

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Now I'm all confused. Why would it be a big super secret if he gave away the morphs in the German translation?:confused:

Maybe it was all a big rumor there was no pastel in it?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Now I'm all confused. Why would it be a big super secret if he gave away the morphs in the German translation?

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Let's just say there's more than one "incorrect recipe" in the German edition. ;)

Thank you Kara :)

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Let's just say there's more than one "incorrect recipe" in the German edition.

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So the German book is wrong then.... I'm glad to hear that because I had my own theory on what was in it but it didn't match up with the book...

Mark

If you look at the woma yellow belly and the yellow belly granite and add fire. That's what I think the Inferno is but I'm prob way off.

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Originally Posted by max123

If you look at the woma yellow belly and the yellow belly granite and add fire. That's what I think the Inferno is but I'm prob way off.

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There is also an inferno granite. ;)

Oh, didn't know that.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I think you're wrong about that due to the fact that a lesser platinum crystal has been produced already and it looks nothing like a platinum

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That's why I said "another version of" the hidden gene, much like how Lesser and Mojave are different versions of Het BEL. Time will tell though.

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That's why I said "another version of" the hidden gene, much like how Lesser and Mojave are different versions of Het BEL. Time will tell though.

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Oh, now I understand what you were saying. You think that the gene that makes the crystal is another allele of the platinum complex like the hidden gene in platty daddy? It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it is, because Toms secret gene also makes different looking pastels not just different looking mojaves and lessers. So I think it's a separate gene all on it's own that will modify the looks of anything it is crossed with not just genes at a specific loci.

Whether or not the hidden gene in the womas is the same thing as either of those two I don't know. I Haven't really seen enough of the effect of that gene to even speculate. Though I suspect that it plays a major roll in a lot of NERDS secret projects.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I'm glad to hear that because I had my own theory on what was in it but it didn't match up with the book...

Mark

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Care to share your theory? Always interested to hear another perspective... :)

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Care to share your theory? Always interested to hear another perspective...

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Sorry, it's a secret :D:D:D:D

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Sorry, it's a secret :D:D:D:D

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LOL!!! I can certainly appreciate that! :D

Since Tom Baker refers to his female as "Special" I'm assuming that she isn't as normal looking as the dilute gene carriers that make platy appear to be. Maybe she is on the subtle side compared to mojave or lesser or maybe even phantom but still I'm thinking a visible morph. As a visible morph, I would not be surprised if it makes a different looking pastel. I don't think that necessarily means the special gene isn't another allele in this group. Of course it could go either way but I'm also expecting it to be another allele and the crystal to be one of the more colorful supers in this group. I'm not sure "leucistic" is really the best name but I think everything from the homozygous lesser to the platy to the crystal to the super phantom are all alike in that they all have two mutant copies of this gene and the differences are which mutant versions are present. I think the ingredients lesser, butter, mojave, phantom, Vin Russo, mocha, dilute/hidden, special and probably a few more (Marshall VT near me proved another this year) are all the same gene, just distinctly different mutations of that gene. So I would consider the platy and the crystal to also be supers of sorts with no room for a normal version of the gene just like the super phantom or the super lesser.

Now the relationship to piebald was unexpected but different in that it appears that an animal can be both homozygous piebald and lesser so not alleles. Maybe lesser just lets the piebald white spread further. Sort of an interaction like pastel and cinnamon to produce an unexpected combo but still separate genes.

Fascinating!

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Now the relationship to piebald was unexpected but different in that it appears that an animal can be both homozygous piebald and lesser so not alleles. Maybe lesser just lets the piebald white spread further. Sort of an interaction like pastel and cinnamon to produce an unexpected combo but still separate genes.

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Since a Lesser Piebald is a pure white snake, do you think that a Fireball Piebald will also produce a pure white snake, or do you think the Piebald will only interact with the Het Blue Eyed Leucistic lines?

Also, does anyone have a picture of the Crystal Lesser? Must have missed that one...

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I was discussing this with a friend of mine.

Which super secret project(PICK ONE!!!) is just the one project that you would LOVE to know the ingredients to?

(This also follows the whole SS/Specter Thread, as I would LOVE to have a SS. Those things are killer! :P)


Examples of super secret projects include:

The Inferno
Purple Passion
The Super Stripe (although not so secret, kinda)
etc.. etc...

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The Freak! :rolleyes:

I like all the Super Secret projects. The Super granites that popped up this year are very cool too (Ralph and Camlon). I'm thinking that might come to play in the inferno mixture too:whisper:.

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Also, does anyone have a picture of the Crystal Lesser? Must have missed that one...

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bhb has that one. Not sure if it's the same as Toms Crystal, but it sure looks like it. I guess until they're proven compatible you can't really say they're the same mutation, but if I were a gambler I'd pretty much bet the farm that they were.

No telling what a fire piebald will look like. Maybe white, maybe not.

Does anyone know exactly what the white in a piebald is caused by? Is it an absence of melanin? Or an absence of the melanocytes themselves?

Mark

To date have two crystals been bred together? Is there a visible super form of the "specials"?

I do not believe that two crystals have been bred together as of yet. I am putting my crystal male with co-dom females this season, so we will (hopefully) see what happens. The female pastel crystal will be of size & age to try breeding with my bumblebee male during the 08/09 season.
Bruce Delles c/o Twin Cities Reptiles

the most interesting super secret project is so secret we havn't heard about it yet... ;-)