I want to buy every python I see- everywhere.

Okay, so my name is Bree and I am an animal-aholic/addict. I love reptiles, especially the big ones. I want alligators, reticulated pythons, Burmese pythons, dinosaurs, all of them.
I want to love them and give them good homes, scare my boyfriend with them and just dump my adoration onto them. The problem is that I can't really convince my boyfriend that having pythons/alligators everywhere is a good idea for the current time. But it doesn't stop me from trying :x For some reason he thinks all my reptiles will eventually turn on me- once they reach a large enough size.

So what am I supposed to do? Be patient? Everything is so cute and scaly, it's hard to be patient. I love genetics as well and can't wait to fill my home with morphs of all species.
My main concern is that time will pass and he'll eventually just say no to the larger species all together. I would love to override him and purchase them anyway, but such drama and instability is never fair for animals.

Is it normal to give up some of your dreams for your partner? My dreams being the alligator, reticulated python and Burmese python. I started with a baby normal ball python and have since purchased a Boa C. Imperator- Columbian and a bearded dragon. I have loved them all since the moment I brought them home. It makes me sad to think I will have to give up my aspirations for future loves/pythons in order to appease the partner.

Any thoughts or comments? :( I know this is a random post. I just can't seem to find anyone who understands what I am going through. Everyone usually shoots me down and agrees with him off the bat.
Thank you for reading.

Lmao... This cracked me up. I too have a reptile obsession it seems. Maybe we need to start RA (reptile anonymous)? My problem isn't the boyfriend as much as lack of space and finances, although I don't think the idea of having a 10 foot snake appeals to him as much as it does me. Sigh...

I would LOVE to start a RA (Reptiles Anonymous)! And I definitely understand you, my boyfriend just doesn't like the sound of 10 foot anything. Perhaps the idea emasculates them?
I am not sure, but it is horribly inconveniencing for those who do like 10 foot animals.

Over two decades ago I ditched a fiance who thought I spent too much money on my horse. I visited that same horse last weekend - he's almost 30 years old and living the good life at a "retirement boarding" facility. OTOH I can't remember the fiance's last name... and I've since married someone else who doesn't have a problem with having animals.

As long as your love of animals and wanting to have them is not inferfering with mundane matters like paying the rent/mortgage/utilities/car payment/insurance, etc. then you need to choose between keeping this boyfriend in the picture, and keeping animals. That said... keeping big animals = big responsibilities, big messes, big liabilities, big money, etc. and if your boyfriend is not on board with that then he may also figure you're not the girl for him.

A life partner will understand and support your obsessions and your dreams. A BF / GF who is in it for themselves will always find a way to subvert your progress. Which one do you have?

You say it's not as black and white as that? Give it some time. Time and perspective have a way of stripping off shades of grey...

lol Dump him! there are plenty of guys out there that like reptiles!


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Never give up on your dreams for anybody. When I met my boyfriend my plan was to have a fish room and have a decent size show betta breeding operation. When I got into ball pythons that dream changed for a snake room and a slightly bigger ball python breeding operation. He'd rather I go back to the fish (I got him into fish keeping) but he knows there's no way he's stopping me, and while I know he'd prefer it be a different hobby he won't stop me since it makes me happy. I may not enjoy all his hobbies but I'll be there for him because it makes him happy. He's not really an animal person. The extent of what he'll own is a dog and an aquarium. He knows we'll be having quite a few snakes, my horse and maybe another one, and my doggy. Oh and the rats. He really hates them. We've agreed and compromised one where the rats and snakes would go when we get our own house (hopefully this year). If you guys can't come to a happy medium then I think it's time to end it. Don't let anyone change who you are and don't settle for a guy that wants to hold you back. When you're in a relationship both partners should be encouraging to each others goals and dreams, not restraints from them.

Here's a way to consider it: it's not his choice what you do. If you want to have big critters, have your big critters! Just make sure that it's a realistic endeavor for you to embark on, especially if you won't have help from him. Do all of your research and set up your enclosures well in advance. If these are realistic, then calculate feeding requirements and costs. Once all of those ducks are in line, then budget your animal. Dreams are amazing and fantastic, and if you can fulfill them, go for it! Don't let any person stand in your way, but be realistic with what is actually possible with your resources and abilities. No one can stand in your way, and if you let them, that's compromising a piece of yourself for another person.

Take care of yourself, and of course your animals!!

He's a boyfriend.

That's it. Either he can get with the program or he can get to steppin.

As much as people THINK a boyfriend/girlfriend is a big commitment, it's not. You've decided not to socially date other people and that's about it. Your finances and space is your own.

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He's a boyfriend.

That's it. Either he can get with the program or he can get to steppin.

As much as people THINK a boyfriend/girlfriend is a big commitment, it's not. You've decided not to socially date other people and that's about it. Your finances and space is your own.

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Unless one has made the mistake of moving in together with both names on a lease/mortgage.

I am so amazed with the thoughtful responses I received on this thread! Thank you all so much.
If I can't reach a compromise where we are both mutually happy or gaining some degree of win/win, then I won't settle for losing my dreams. He may have to leave the picture.
It's funny because he would be damned before I took his dreams away, but mine are always the outrageous or unacceptable ones.
I guess it doesn't really matter if they are outrageous or extravagant. They are mine and that's what matters.
Thank you all so much again!

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Aw, sweetie, thats not equal, no matter what he pretends. sounds like you need to have a talk that doesn't necessarily center around reptiles, because that certainly isn't efficient communication. I hope you rethink having someone like that be such an intimate part of your life, trust me, no matter how happy you feel while together, if he's causing you grief like this when you aren't committed, how bad will it get if you guys get to the engagement step?

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I disagree with some of you here. I love my BPs but sometimes your significant other isn't there to "ruin your dreams" but pull you back to earth.

My own gf has talked my out of buying more BPs for now because we're focusing on buying our own place.

Everyone's situation is different. If you think your bf is stopping from reaching your dreams then talk to him. But if he doesn't want you to have an alligator because you live in a 1400sq apartment (just an example) that's a whole different issue.

I think communication skills might be an issue here, not the relationship.

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Even though I find myself agreeing to a great extent with Mr. Misha, this is kind of a red flag:

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I mean, if he has some fear issues with reptiles, that's one thing -- and it might be something you guys can work on improving. If it's sort of a generalized whittling away of dreams and life goals . . . well . . . umm . . .

I think his fear comes out of ignorance. I think if he was more educated on reptile keeping he would be more comfortable. I can see his concern though. With the larger snakes it is recommended, if not, necessary to have 2+ people handling the snake. If your bf doesn't want to do it who else do you have?

This is more personal but if he's totally ok with crushing your dreams and brushing your ambitions off like that I don't think he would be a good long term partner. Even if he's fearful he should show some respect.

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I disagree with some of you here. I love my BPs but sometimes your significant other isn't there to "ruin your dreams" but pull you back to earth.

My own gf has talked my out of buying more BPs for now because we're focusing on buying our own place.

Everyone's situation is different. If you think your bf is stopping from reaching your dreams then talk to him. But if he doesn't want you to have an alligator because you live in a 1400sq apartment (just an example) that's a whole different issue.

I think communication skills might be an issue here, not the relationship.

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I agree with this.

Wanting something does not mean that you are in a position to have it. Find out what his reasons here are, and do so honestly. Do you have the space, the money (without sacrificing savings, your future, or going into serious debt), the zoning, the ability to get care for the animals? What are you going to do about vacations with these giant reptiles? Who's going to care for them? What is the money you're going to spend on them NOT going to be spent on instead? where is it coming from in your lives (and it is coming from somewhere - what AREN"T you going to be buying, doing, or saving because of this)? What about your relationship with other people/family? Will he lose friends to this?

If you have a life with someone, your dreams impact them in big ways and dreams as big as giant reptiles come with big sacrifices and lifestyle changes. "If you loved me you would" is an emotionally manipulative jerky thing to say. It's no more valid than 'If you loved me you WOULDN'T."

I think this should be a two way street. You must be honest with yourself, and with him. Do you really want an alligator? Or do you want one mostly because someone has told you you shouldn't/can't? Because it's shocking and unacceptable? Do you know what is involved in keeping an alligator? The legal aspect? The feeding? Housing? How long they live? How big they get? Where will you keep it when it's 4 feet? 8 feet? 12 feet? How will you feed it? Care for it? What happens if where you are living deems it illegal? Or a neighbor complains and it's taken away and killed?

Now take a step back, take a deep breath, and ask him what is it about you keeping a large reptile he doesn't like? Is it because he thinks you just want to shock people like I mentioned? Is he worried about all the questions I raised? Or does he really think you are just being ridiculous? Does he think you aren't ready to take care of a large reptile? Or is it more than that? If you are not honest with yourself and with him, then it's not going to work, alligator or not.

Also keep in mind, the keeping of large reptiles of any kind, including the large constrictors, is very much under the gun right now legally, so be prepared on that front as well. Even if you get a large reptile like an Anaconda or Retic, about the time you get used to having it, you could have it taken away from you.

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Do you have any real experience with big burms retics and gators? Before you go changing your life due to a dream of yours, see if it's even something you can do. Retics are beautiful animals but are you even remotely close to capable of caring for a 20' snake? Different universe than a Beeper. They are a great commitment and I would mentor with someone that has some big ones before you make a decision that could alter your life.

For some people a retic or gator IS a completely ridiculous dream. Literally for example, there is no way that a 4'11 90lbs woman could handle a full grown retic. It's just not physically possible lol. For an experienced big guy, or two, they can wear you out fast. Like pass out dripping sweat tired lol. Just get some big snake experience before you do anything drastic.

My $0.02

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In my opinion, as others have said, he's a boyfriend. If he was a husband, things would be different but even then he shouldn't be stemming your dreams. That being said, you also have to look at it as those big reptiles are very expensive and can kill you, so he does have a point. My boyfriend flipped out at the thought of me getting a second snake, my ball python, because it would eat me! I'm now up to 5 reptiles of my own and fostering 2 more. But we were in Jr. High then so he didn't have much say of what I got. The most advice I can offer is try to negotiate some even ground. Such as me and my boyfriend have settled on a reptile room with a very secure door and not so many to where I don't have time for him/family and the bigger ones I need someone in the room with me. Within that time, he has fallen in love with my reptiles and has even agreed to a tegu being treated like a dog. He also now loves the bigger reptiles that I love though he will not allow an alligator (darn). If he was completely shut to the idea of more, we wouldn't be together, because he is a boyfriend after all. It may come down to time and education or simply, he's not your life partner. Hopefully he opens up...just be prepared, he'll sit back and sigh and say, "Out of anything it could be, it had to be reptiles!" Hope that helped a bit..... Good luck!

Every bodies situation will be slightly different so i dont see a right answer to this question but for my situation; i said hey hun i want a snake and she said NO! So i went and bought a snake :P


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Unless one has made the mistake of moving in together with both names on a lease/mortgage.

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I was gonna not get into dissecting her relationship, but she and others divulged it.

Yeah, that's a predicament. I never would get a place with someone I wasn't super tied to. But that's me.

I don't like the comments, however, of people saying it wouldn't be a good idea for her to get a large species without experience. You're just as backwards as employers who require experience for entry level jobs, you can't gain experience without experiencing anything. We all start somewhere.

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You're just as backwards as employers who require experience for entry level jobs, you can't gain experience without experiencing anything. We all start somewhere.

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Don't be so dramatic.

You said the magic words: entry-level. I don't think retics, burms or alligators are entry-level pets. No one is telling OP to have experience to own a corn or a BP.



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I was gonna not get into dissecting her relationship, but she and others divulged it.

Yeah, that's a predicament. I never would get a place with someone I wasn't super tied to. But that's me.

I don't like the comments, however, of people saying it wouldn't be a good idea for her to get a large species without experience. You're just as backwards as employers who require experience for entry level jobs, you can't gain experience without experiencing anything. We all start somewhere.

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This is just silly. A retic is not an entry level pet (or herp). It's also a living creature.

There are ways to get that experience that do not involve actually owning the animal - the hard to place, may become illegal, difficult to transport (ILLEGAL to transport across state lines in the case of burms), had to find a place for if it doesn't work animal.

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Don't be so dramatic.

You said the magic words: entry-level. I don't think retics, burms or alligators are entry-level pets. No one is telling OP to have experience to own a corn or a BP.



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Don't act all high and mighty when it's all a matter of opinion. Not sure about other places, but here in Oklahoma alligators are illegal to own because they are native (to a small tiny little bit of south eastern corner) wildlife.

However big snakes start small and with proper research and preparation there is no problem.

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This is just silly. A retic is not an entry level pet (or herp). It's also a living creature.

There are ways to get that experience that do not involve actually owning the animal - the hard to place, may become illegal, difficult to transport (ILLEGAL to transport across state lines in the case of burms), had to find a place for if it doesn't work animal.

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Yes and no. I know of a few people I personally could ask, but what do I really need to know? Getting them out the cage? Housing requirements? An animal worked with through out its life will not be as difficult as a cage restricted snake used for breeding.

As much as I'd like to think someone would have the sense to decide by 6± feet that an animal is not the right fit, I know that's not true. That's a valid concern. But you also don't specifically know the OP and their tendency. They sound pretty passionate to me.

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Don't act all high and mighty when it's all a matter of opinion. Not sure about other places, but here in Oklahoma alligators are illegal to own because they are native (to a small tiny little bit of south eastern corner) wildlife.

However big snakes start small and with proper research and preparation there is no problem.

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There's nothing to act high and mighty about. There's just a big difference between taking care of a 20 foot snake and a 6 foot snake.

We all know there's a big difference between reading about something and actually doing it.

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Yes and no. I know of a few people I personally could ask, but what do I really need to know? Getting them out the cage? Housing requirements? An animal worked with through out its life will not be as difficult as a cage restricted snake used for breeding.

As much as I'd like to think someone would have the sense to decide by 6± feet that an animal is not the right fit, I know that's not true. That's a valid concern. But you also don't specifically know the OP and their tendency. They sound pretty passionate to me.

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Physical capacity TO handle the animal is a good start. Actual desire to deal with a Burm sized poop, how to handle an alligator (which is a WHOLE different thing than any kind of snake), are pretty good starts on that front. So is seeing just how much space you're going to need, and a solid idea of the actual animal you want to own as opposed to the IDEA of the animal.

I mean come on, we even tell people if tehy think they want a dog breed they should meet and interact with some examples to get a good idea what they're like in reality and what life with them is like. You can be passionate all you want, and if she's got some hands on experience fantastic, but there is a point when committing to the care of another creature, particularly a really difficult to pass along one that you need to get face to face and up close and personal with the reality.

Because reality and dreams? They don't always mesh. Finding that out BEFORE you have the snake and no reasonable way to move it to someone else? That's just good freaking sense.

I understand both of your points, and perhaps I was too loose with the entry level position analogy. I didn't mean to belittle the responsibility of giant constrictors.

Just that we don't know her experience(s) and to jump on someone for having aspirations is a bit of a no no.

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I understand both of your points, and perhaps I was too loose with the entry level position analogy. I didn't mean to belittle the responsibility of giant constrictors.

Just that we don't know her experience(s) and to jump on someone for having aspirations is a bit of a no no.

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But that's the thing - if she HAS some experience level, then she ... already has it? So she doesn't need to get it. If she doesn't have it, going out and getting some more's pretty okay and just another step in that direction.

Ok she didn't say she was going to get them NOW. I want a retic but that's years down the road. Plenty of time to do research. You guys are acting like she wants to go out and buy them this week. Pretty sure she was talking more about an eventual plan after everything has been lined up. She even specifically said future loves not right now.

And retic doesn't always mean 20+. Semi and super dwarf? And I'm along the same thought process as Kodieh. My first boa is a baby. Now I'm sure I'd be a little.. not finding the right word.. overwhelmed? to just buy a 9/10 foot female to start with and handle as my first non BP snake, but I got her as a baby and will get used to the size and mannerisms as she grows and I handle her all her life.

And if you want something further down the road, getting experience with the final result or even just hanging out with various snakes along the way is still reasonable preparation. If she gets it today or a decade from now, there is a lot of good to be had in experiencing the reality and being better prepared for an easier time and smoother transition when she does.

And frankly if she wants one that bad, the experience would be more fun than hardship.

I really harken back to my argument of how many people preach about having a stash of vet money lying around and actually don't have it.

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...I'm not seeing a connection. Unless you're calling people hypocrites, which is fine if you want to go there - But I don't think it's a particularly productive line of discussion. Nor do I know what you would know about the bank accounts and financial status of most people claiming to have a vet fund.

Ya'll she asked a question about how to deal with the disagreement with her boyfriend, please keep it there.

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Ok she didn't say she was going to get them NOW. I want a retic but that's years down the road. Plenty of time to do research. You guys are acting like she wants to go out and buy them this week. Pretty sure she was talking more about an eventual plan after everything has been lined up. She even specifically said future loves not right now.

And retic doesn't always mean 20+. Semi and super dwarf? And I'm along the same thought process as Kodieh. My first boa is a baby. Now I'm sure I'd be a little.. not finding the right word.. overwhelmed? to just buy a 9/10 foot female to start with and handle as my first non BP snake, but I got her as a baby and will get used to the size and mannerisms as she grows and I handle her all her life.

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Ya but what happens if as the snake grows, and suddenly passes by the 14-18' range and you realize that no matter how much you have learned about your snake and its manorisms, you are in over your head. So now you get to rehome another large constrictor and another sanctuary has to take one in.

Thats why my advice is to find someone knowledgable with giant snakes and do a mentorship with them, learn the ropes, and find out if your dreams are really what you want.

Retics are a commitment (as well as burms and gators) for a long time and in a big way.

No problem taking it slow and making wise informed decisions.

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My husband isn't a reptile fan, but he wasn't a cat fan either lol. We've had several cats now because they decide not to come inside at night and a coyote has had a snack, or they move to "greener pastures" with people that don't mess with them and take them to a vet to get shots lol. I have 3 balls and am looking at a pastel male right now. I talked it out with him and as long as he doesn't have to mess with them, I sanitize my hands, and our children are safe he's fine with me having them. I would love to have a building dedicated to reptiles. Now on the gator subject there are too many things that can go wrong. They haven't changed since the time of dinosaurs. I'm from the south where I had to be careful of them. They are also my VERY FAVORITE reptile. They are unique beautiful animals that are not for the faint hearted. I would much prefer them staying in the wild instead of a home. If your significant other doesn't like reptiles talk to him, unless you are sure he's not the one you want to marry. Respect his opinion instead of just over riding him. That's a sure way of ending the relationship.

Since the post asks how to deal with the boyfriend: consider the possibility that he doesn't want you to rush into things that are big responsibilities or could pose a safety risk to either of you. Alligators are not appropriate animals to be pets. Is this an opinion? Sure, but it's coming from someone who has had an alligator as a pet. Burms and Retics - I am under the opinion that these should be treated like venomous snakes where a permit and an apprenticeship under a licensed keeper is required. Have you ever held a burm? Have you ever held an adult rabbit in tongs and had an animal that size slam it? Have you had one miss their strike and look at your face like it's your fault they didn't connect? How about taken a bite from any of them?

You said you had a bp, beardie, and a boa. How long have you had each of those? I have always kept reptiles, but when I started to get into ball pythons I found myself becoming obsessed in the way you describe in the opening post. Take a deep breath, try to imagine the long term - these animals can live 20+ years. That obsession does decrease a bit over time for most people and for some it decreases entirely. It's a lot easier to rehome a bp or a beardie than a boa. An adult retic or burm, especially with the Lacey act? Forget it.

I guess the point here is - even if you end up disagreeing with your boyfriend, take some time, go slow, and enjoy yourself. If you're getting so much satisfaction from your 3 current reptiles, what's the rush to go bigger?

I guess I'm a bit torn on this one. Relationships are about compromise, if you can't compromise the relationship will fail. That said, this may be one of those things that you are unwilling to give up, and if that is a deal breaker for him, and you can't compromise, then it's probably best to end the relationship now and find someone who shares your passion. If you were already married to him and had children, then you would be forced to find a middle ground (or tear apart a child's family selfishly IMO), but this is a boyfriend, and I assume you don't have children with him, so it may be time to break things off if this dream means more to you than the relationship. If you are going to own those huge reptiles you will need a partner to help you handle them anyway, you can't handle those reptiles on your own as adults, they require 2 people. On the other hand if you are the kind of person that jumps from passion to passion every other year and the whole reptile obsession is new to you, then he may just be trying to stop you from making a decision you'll later regret.

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How about a healthy line of credit? ;)

Getting back to the OP, keeping larg(er) snakes, venomous snakes, crocs, etc. on your property means embracing a certain lifestyle. You will need to purchase a certain amount of property/land to maintain them as no sane landlord would permit a tenant to have them. You need resources lined up after the essentials for yourself and your family are covered. Forget travelling - vacations will be staycations, and yet you will still need a backup plan to have people with the knowledge and ability to care for those animals when life throws the inevitable curve balls at you, and you can't do it. If you ever have to relocate, local, state, and federal laws will dictate where you can and can't live if you want to keep your pets, never mind whether or not there is a decent exotic animal veterinarian in the region.

My guess is that the OP's boyfriend wants a different kind of life for himself, especially if the OP's animals entered the picture after the boyfriend - he's probably thinking "I DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS!!!". As has been noted, the animals you want to keep also require two handlers for safety, so OP needs to find someone who will share that passion if she is serious about pursuing it.

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Heck's Bells...forget what I said about your BF subverting your dreams. After reading some of the responses to this thread, I now realize you don't need a BF for that...plenty of folks around here are willing to do it instead :rolleyes:

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I don't think anyone is trying subvert her dreams, they are just offering a dose of reality based on experience. They aren't pets you just jump into because you like them.

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They aren't pets you just jump into because you like them.

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I think that applies to all pets if I'm not mistaken.

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While true, there's a vast difference in the knowledge, experience, and resources required to maintain a BP or boa - or even a whole rack of them - versus a gator. No one is saying don't pursue the dream, just if it's going to happen the OP needs to be smart about it. A big part of that includes finding a partner who is comfortable with it.

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Nope. Hermit crabs, you can just jump in to hermit crabs :D


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Nope. Hermit crabs, you can just jump in to hermit crabs :D


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Not even. I had a whole colony die on me a couple years back. Granted I was around 12 yrs old, I didn't know a whole bunch on caring for them, albeit I tried.

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Yeah, but after 5429 repetitions of, "do you know how big retics get"?, it starts to feel a little like a beat down. I'm gonna go waaaaay out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure the OP knows how big a retic can get...

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Originally Posted by Slim

Yeah, but after 5429 repetitions of, "do you know how big retics get"?, it starts to feel a little like a beat down. I'm gonna go waaaaay out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure the OP knows how big a retic can get...

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Its weird how they don't see they gank they just performed on this girl who didn't solicit the advice.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Yeah, but after 5429 repetitions of, "do you know how big retics get"?, it starts to feel a little like a beat down. I'm gonna go waaaaay out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure the OP knows how big a retic can get...

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Right. Answers like these are a simple google search away!

It's just people need to strike a balance between caution and enthusiasm. It isn't worth it to just preach continuously that said animal is a monster and impossible to keep- there are obviously some people who pull it off. But of course, there's a lot of extra effort and safety involved so the recommendations do need to keep it real. Animals like these do require a lot of consideration before obtaining them.

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Originally Posted by MonkeyShuttle

Nope. Hermit crabs, you can just jump in to hermit crabs :D


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And Sea Monkeys.