Albino lovers... Don't look!

A friend of mine posted this on anouther forum. It's 2 of my favorite snakes in one picture.....









http://www.reptilescanada.com/galler...m_albinos_.jpg

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That actually isn't funny at all. Looking at the substrate that is captivity. Feeding any Ball Python to a King Cobra or ANYTHING in captivity is just cruel. You should actually be ashamed of yourself for posting this and thinking this is funny by any means. I hoping this thread gets deleted.

Get that crap out of here

We know NOTHING of the particulars of the above picture. I can't for certain say this isn't a photoshop. Why on earth would someone choose to feed $400 snakes? Maybe it had died already - heck I don't know...

For that matter makes it ok to feed rats to a rodent eater but not snakes to a snake eater? What snakes would you feel would be acceptable food sources for snake eaters?

I'm pretty sure the story behind this is that the albino was actually dead from a birth defect. I know someone on facebook who posted this image as well, and there was a huge war over it there as well. He also posted pictures of monitors eating a pied retic that had died from defects as well(every white area was heavily kinked and it was unable to feed or live for long)

Still, this is a bit of a...rough image, considering this is a forum of snake lovers.... Specifically ball python lovers..

Im sure there's more to the story.

But given the right circumstances.....

I don't see a thing wrong with it

I'm going to play devil's advocate here..given our understanding of snakes and their behavior..What is so offensive about a king cobra eating what it would normally eat , another snake..regardless of it's species and or color?

Now given the reactions here..do you see why non-snake people get so up-set when we post feeding pics of our snakes eating rats or mice.

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I'm pretty sure the story behind this is that the albino was actually dead from a birth defect. I know someone on facebook who posted this image as well, and there was a huge war over it there as well. He also posted pictures of monitors eating a pied retic that had died from defects as well(every white area was heavily kinked and it was unable to feed or live for long)

Still, this is a bit of a...rough image, considering this is a forum of snake lovers.... Specifically ball python lovers..

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Waste not, want not. :gj:

Any way you slice it, this is nature. Whether it ate an albino ball, a normal ball, a kingsnake or a garter snake, something had to die to feed it. To me it is no different than feeding a rat to our balls or how I feed anoles and geckos to our Candoia carinatas.

Nothing wrong here at all. A lot of King owners actually Contact alot of snake breeders to send them babies that died from defects and so on frozen.

But were not here to judge someone for feeding even a live snake to a snake eater. Everything needs to eat, and if that person breeders balls to feed his passion WHO CARES.

Lol some people are a little too serious. Even if the owner decided to breed albino balls just for food, it's his choice. It's like us breeding rats for our snakes. Granted those albino's are worth more, but it's not animal cruelty. He's just feeding his snake food.

Now I would never do that, as I value my snakes and money too much. But food is food, whether it be a $1 meal or a $400 meal.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

That actually isn't funny at all. Looking at the substrate that is captivity. Feeding any Ball Python to a King Cobra or ANYTHING in captivity is just cruel. You should actually be ashamed of yourself for posting this and thinking this is funny by any means. I hoping this thread gets deleted.

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And feeding a rat to a snake isnt??

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

That actually isn't funny at all. Looking at the substrate that is captivity. Feeding any Ball Python to a King Cobra or ANYTHING in captivity is just cruel. You should actually be ashamed of yourself for posting this and thinking this is funny by any means. I hoping this thread gets deleted.

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I don't really think you need to look at the substrate to figure out considering that Ophiophagus Hannah and P. Regius natural ranges don't overlap, and even if they did the likelihood of a albino surviving to the size in this picture only to be eaten by a King and someone happening to be there to capture it on film would have to be 100000000 to 1. would you be less offended if it was a rat snake she was eating? what if it was an albino rat snake? are you o.k. with feeding lop eared bunnies or are only meat rabbits o.k. in your books? I don't know for sure but I would guess that that Ball was already dead from some other causes before it was feed of. after all like stated before who in their right mind would pick a $400 animal as a feeder. would it have been better in your opinion to throw the already snake in the garbage than use it to feed another? i love albino Balls as much as the next guy, but every snake has got to eat.

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Originally Posted by AKballs

And feeding a rat to a snake isnt??

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What!?! You guys feed rats to snakes?!? How dare you! I think your going straight to non-heaven for that act of cruelty. That's like someone raising a chicken up from cute tiny little chick only to chop its head off, puck it's feathers, and eat it! Just madness!!!


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Originally Posted by Lferg

What!?! You guys feed rats to snakes?!? How dare you! I think your going straight to non-heaven for that act of cruelty. That's like someone raising a chicken up from cute tiny little chick only to chop its head off, puck it's feathers, and eat it! Just madness!!!


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I understand what you guys are sayin but this is the BP section(where most ppl love BPs).I feel bad for the albino(defects or whatever) but I understand everything has to eat.

I'm tryin to understand why post it in the bp lovers section instead of in the venomous animal section? or a different picture section?

When you know it's not goin to go over well.

Shocking words from Ball Python "lovers" to say the least.

But I read the story behind it. The Ball Python was a still birth per the story. Don't think it is accurate judging the sizes.

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Originally Posted by AKballs

And feeding a rat to a snake isnt??

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I've never fed live or purchased a live one for that matter, all of my snakes eat F/T.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

I've never fed live or purchased a live one for that matter, all of my snakes eat F/T.

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They still die at some point, they don't exactly manufacture F/T

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I'm going to play devil's advocate here..given our understanding of snakes and their behavior..What is so offensive about a king cobra eating what it would normally eat , another snake..regardless of it's species and or color?

Now given the reactions here..do you see why non-snake people get so up-set when we post feeding pics of our snakes eating rats or mice.

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I couldn't agree more man. That picture was not even close to offensive. If it eats it naturally what does it matter if it eats what it naturally eats in captivity. As long as the animal is being properly fed there should be no complaints.

i love ball pythons but i think it's a cool picture. that's a nice looking albino, and i think it's interesting. even the caption made me chuckle. i don't see the albino suffering, or bleeding, or in any pain.. as far as i'm concerned, it was already dead, and the owner said "hey i don't need to buy a feeder today. thanks, nature"......

i wouldn't have posted this picture though lol. i know there's always at least 1 person who is overly sensitive, and doesn't really think about both sides of a story before posting :rolleyes:

People (newbies) are nuts. Wah wah wah. :tears:

It's a King Cobra. They're "KINGS" because they eat SNAKES. Boo hoo. Quit whining about nothing like you're gonna make a difference.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

Shocking words from Ball Python "lovers" to say the least.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

I've never fed live or purchased a live one for that matter, all of my snakes eat F/T.

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I don't really think it's all the shocking. Most of us here do love and respect our snakes, but everything needs to eat. Those f/t rats you are feeding to your snakes had to die to become f/t food. There are plenty of members here who love rats and still feed live to their snakes. It's great that yours will take f/t, but not all will. I have two that will not take f/t no matter how hard I try so I feed them live. I don't think that's cruel at all, to me it's much better than watching my pet slowly starve to death, which would be cruel.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I'm going to play devil's advocate here..given our understanding of snakes and their behavior..What is so offensive about a king cobra eating what it would normally eat , another snake..regardless of it's species and or color?

Now given the reactions here..do you see why non-snake people get so up-set when we post feeding pics of our snakes eating rats or mice.

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You took the words right out of my mouth. :gj:

All I will add is that a "normal" may have been a cheaper feeder?

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Originally Posted by Kinra

I don't really think it's all the shocking. Most of us here do love and respect our snakes, but everything needs to eat. Those f/t rats you are feeding to your snakes had to die to become f/t food. There are plenty of members here who love rats and still feed like to their snakes. Also not all snakes will take f/t. I have two that will not take f/t no matter how hard I try so I feed them live. I don't think that's cruel at all, to me it's much better than watching my pet slowly starve to death, which would be cruel.

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I understand they had to die, I am not that naive. I origianlly posted thinking the King Cobra was fed a live ball Python, after experiencing some bad stuff I tend to assume the worst. If the Ball Python died before hand, thats fine then. It is easy to feed snake eating snakes rodents, wrap them in a little snake skin. What I use to do when I kept venomous.


And RyanT, you have no room to talk. You were one who sided with someone who ripped out live Rats teeth before feeding.

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel285

They still die at some point, they don't exactly manufacture F/T

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

I understand they had to die, I am not that naive. I origianlly posted thinking the King Cobra was fed a live ball Python, after going to Iraq and Afghan, poeple never seem to amaze me so I tend to assume the worst. If the Ball Python died before hand, okay fine. But no need to ganging up on me like I committed a felony.

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Your first post and following replies were very negative. In your first post you were pretty much calling the original poster a horrible person then you went on to insinuate that members here don't love their snakes. You are going to get strong responses from a lot of people when you make posts like that.

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Originally Posted by Kinra

Your first post and following replies were very negative. In your first post you were pretty much calling the original poster a horrible person then you went on to insinuate that members here don't love their snakes. You are going to get strong responses from a lot of people when you make posts like that.

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Never called anyone a horrible person nor did I insinuate any of you not loving their snakes. Before I read the story behind it all I said is should be ashamed of thinking it's funny. And all I said is that it was shocking words from poeple on a Ball Python forum. I never said anything negative to anyone so please do not put words in my mouth or try to make me look like the bad guy. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

Never called anyone a horrible person nor did I insinuate any of you not loving their snakes. Before I read the story behind it all I said is should be ashamed of thinking it's funny. And all I said is that it was shocking words from poeple on a Ball Python forum. I never said anything negative to anyone so please do not put words in my mouth or try to make me look like the bad guy. Thanks.

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Written words are often misinterpreted. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, but that is how I interpreted your posts. I was trying to explain to you why I believed you felt we were "ganging up" on you. No one is a bad guy here, but people are going to express their opinions and they won't always agree.

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Written words are often misinterpreted. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, but that is how I interpreted your posts. I was trying to explain to you why I believed you felt we were "ganging up" on you. No one is a bad guy here, but people are going to express their opinions and they won't always agree.

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Exactly, that is what I was doing, expressing an opinion. It does seem like when poeple see a few against one they try to jump on board but thats alright. I am not upset with anyone, nor anyone should be with me. I simply saw the picture thinking someone fed a live Albino BP to a King Cobra and expressed my opinion based on that.

But, I did read the history behind it. So my nerves are calmed.

Wouldnt matter if it was live or dead. Its not yours nor our place to judge what that person feeds their snake eating snake.

Just cause its something you keep as a pet and care for dont make that species above the rest when its fed off live. Not all King Cobras will take rodents nor will they take f/t snakes.

Was looking for an excuse to use this one day.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2vd32pd.jpg

BP being ate by a king cobra, on a BP specific sub forum? C'mon man. Should have gone in the hot section or general. Doesn't offend me but it offends others.

Wow i did not think this would turn into WWIII. I read this and earlier but didnt reply. This is nature though, as rough as it may be, but giving this guy a hard time isnt cool. Its not like it was his pic. Just something uou dont see everyday. Not a video of one being killed by a King. I appreciate the picture for its rarity and not get butt hurt. He does warn not to look.

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Originally Posted by Twist

Was looking for an excuse to use this one day.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2vd32pd.jpg

BP being ate by a king cobra, on a BP specific sub forum? C'mon man. Should have gone in the hot section or general. Doesn't offend me but it offends others.

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First off I would like to say that's it's great to see Xzibit working again. After Pimp My Ride got cancelled I was worried that we'd never hear from him again; god knows that his music career isn't going anywhere LOL. I can assure you that I was in no way Trolling when I posted this picture. you may be right about this picture being better suited in another forum, but it is a BP pic and it never occurred to me that it would offend people. I myself am a BP lover and it didn't bother me in the least. in fact with the captions I found it very humorous. and I think you can see from the post's in general that most were not upset by the picture's contents.

I just wanted to use that pic lol. But I definitely think this would have been better suited somewhere else. :rolleyes:

Also in the OP's defense... he did title it "Albino lovers... Don't look!" so you were semi-warned. I actually thought the pic was pretty interesting.

Yet, if we'd seen a king cobra eating a snake in the wild on a nature show, most of us would be amazed and excited to see it.. Shouldn't matter if it's a ball. Don't you love all snakes? Or do just love BPs..

It may be the BP sub forum but it IS an all herps forum in general.

As far as the live vs F/T rat argument, don't forget that most breeders in the states feed live and start babies on live..

Most of those breeders also love rats, breed for color/coat/ears, and have pet rats..

You really can't be a hypocrite if you own animals like these that eat things like rats or snakes. Or... If you yourself eat meat but think those animals are cute as can be when they are babies, or could never stand to see one slaughtered.

I personally find nothing wrong with this picture. Knowing the story, at least the BP wasn't thrown in the garbage.

This is why I feed all my snakes tofu that I shape into their desired food source - less controversy. I'd share feeding pics but they look so real and life-like you probably wouldn't believe it was tofu anyway.

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This is why I feed all my snakes tofu that I shape into their desired food source - less controversy. I'd share feeding pics but they look so real and life-like you probably wouldn't believe it was tofu anyway.

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Lol!! Do you remember seeing those snake sausages?! Lmao!!!!!!!

http://naturalbalanceinc.com/zoologi...ptilediet.html

All my balls eat these exclusively!

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Originally Posted by jason_ladouceur

...you may be right about this picture being better suited in another forum, but it is a BP pic and it never occurred to me that it would offend people...

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Come on dude, you posted a picture of a BP being eaten on a BP lovers forum and you didn't think it would offend anyone?????!!!!

I am not offended and understand that things have to eat but, like it was said, this probably was a bad decision to post it here. I wouldn't go on a rabbit lovers forum and post a picture of a rabbit being eaten by a boa or bird lovers forum and show a picture of bird being eaten by a cat and not think it would offend someone.

However, when I was training in Thailand I actually ate Cobra and it was pretty good.

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Come on dude, you posted a picture of a BP being eaten on a BP lovers forum and you didn't think it would offend anyone?????!!!!

I am not offended and understand that things have to eat but, like it was said, this probably was a bad decision to post it here. I wouldn't go on a rabbit lovers forum and post a picture of a rabbit being eaten by a boa or bird lovers forum and show a picture of bird being eaten by a cat and not think it would offend someone.

However, when I was training in Thailand I actually ate Cobra and it was pretty good.

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Those that are offended are the ones that are strictly ball python PET owners.

And your comparisons are not the same as a cobra eating bp posted on a Reptile forum.

Of course if you posted a snake or something of that nature on a rat,bird type forum your going to expect hate messages. But posting it on sites like this, there should be no hypocritical postings about it.

And as stated before, Now people know what rat/rabbit lovers feel when they see videos of our snakes eating their Pets.

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Originally Posted by RetiredJedi

Come on dude, you posted a picture of a BP being eaten on a BP lovers forum and you didn't think it would offend anyone?????!!!!

I am not offended and understand that things have to eat but, like it was said, this probably was a bad decision to post it here. I wouldn't go on a rabbit lovers forum and post a picture of a rabbit being eaten by a boa or bird lovers forum and show a picture of bird being eaten by a cat and not think it would offend someone.

However, when I was training in Thailand I actually ate Cobra and it was pretty good.

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Yes the site is called ball pythons.net but its for reptile lovers. Theres sub categories from everything from frogs to venomous. Botton line is cobras eat snakes. It is what it is. Now if it was a pic of a chicken eating chicken id be offended, thats just wrong lol. Im a hot lover and a king cobra is a prime example of a top predator in its environment and i think its a cool pic. Yes im a ball python breeder and lover but if you love your snakes you have to respect every aspect of what they are and what they do.

I see nothing wrong with the picture, although it's placement outside the bp section would have been a bit more tactful.

A snake has to eat and sometimes ball pythons have to be the feeder. It's not different from using mice, rats, rabbits, guinea pigs, chickens, pigs, etc for food.

As much as I love my snakes, even if someone were to feed the snake live or fk to the cobra it wouldn't be any different to me than feeding a live/ fk rat to any of my snakes. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by RetiredJedi

Come on dude, you posted a picture of a BP being eaten on a BP lovers forum and you didn't think it would offend anyone?????!!!!

I am not offended and understand that things have to eat but, like it was said, this probably was a bad decision to post it here. I wouldn't go on a rabbit lovers forum and post a picture of a rabbit being eaten by a boa or bird lovers forum and show a picture of bird being eaten by a cat and not think it would offend someone.

However, when I was training in Thailand I actually ate Cobra and it was pretty good.

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Those are lousy comparisons.. Why?? Because we as reptile owners have always defended their rights as rabbit, bird, and rat owners.

Very very few of the people on those pet specific forums have ever defended us as snake owners.

It's been brought up on Bpnet before about the absolute abuse a snake owner gets if they show their face on a pet rat or rabbit forum.

No one said it better than Bigguns (Neil) when he told the story of the ferret rescue women he over heard at a show. They said they would kill any snake they saw in their yard.. He then told them he would kill any ferret that escaped into his yard...

He proved a point to those women..

Cut it with the hypocritical junk. If I had a snake eating snake that wouldn't eat rodents, I'd certainly feed it snakes, and I love ALL snakes! Even the cute little garter in my avatar trying to eat my finger.

AGAIN...I WASN'T OFFENDED BY THE PICTURE. IT DIDN'T BOTHER ME BUT FOR THE OP TO THINK THAT HE WOULDN'T OFFEND SOMEONE ON HERE WITH THAT PICTURE IS SILLY THAT'S ALL.

Have a great night everyone.






(pretty cool to be quoted three times on one forum 80) )

Good-gosh-a-mighty.. I sure am glad my phone doesn't "speak" these replies to me or I may have needed earplugs for that one.

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Good-gosh-a-mighty.. I sure am glad my phone doesn't "speak" these replies to me or I may have needed earplugs for that one.

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Yes I replied in caps on purpose.:)

I agree that feeding ball pythons to other snakes is a stupid idea.

I fed my cribos a steady diet of butters, bananas, caramels, chocolates, cinnamons, mochas, mimosas, sugars, toffees, and vanilla creams. They all developed cholesterol and weight issues.

There are better choices out there.

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I agree that feeding ball pythons to other snakes is a stupid idea.

I fed my cribos a steady diet of butters, bananas, caramels, chocolates, cinnamons, mochas, mimosas, sugars, toffees, and vanilla creams. They all developed cholesterol and weight issues.

There are better choices out there.

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:rofl: Oh my!

In nature some snakes eat other snakes and I'm not offended by it.

However, the "...LOL" at the bottom of the picture I found very distasteful.

I could be wrong but, I doubt many people found the joke and/or photo funny.:(