Snake Feces

A few days ago I noticed what I thought was my snake pooping. Upon further inspection I noticed that what I thought it was pooping was Red (Not a little red, deep blood red) but was solid, like poop. I thought it might have been his sexual organ. It has been a few days, it has since turned brown, but has not left his body; it has been in his "butt" for about 3 days now and has not come out any further. Please advise.

I also picked him up and tried to remove it with toilet paper, and when I tugged slightly, more of it was revealed and it was also deep red. Is it a mouse that hasn't completely digested?

Thats called a PROLAPSED HEMIPENE

The snake needs to be put on wet paper towels and taken to the vet ASAP

No more tugging on it.......:D

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Thats called a PROLAPSED HEMIPENE

The snake needs to be put on wet paper towels and taken to the vet ASAP

No more tugging on it.......:D

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What exactly is happening to my snake? Is he pooping out his colon?

Could be a prolapse of some sort, please get it to the vet asap, I mean it's been three days since you started this post, and you won't be able to get a vet now until Monday, what the hell!!!!

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Originally Posted by Gadsden

What exactly is happening to my snake? Is he pooping out his colon?

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It's either a Prolapsed Hemipene (sex organ) or a Prolapsed Rectum, both are bad. Here is what I have seen recommended for this. You have to keep it moist. Use wet paper towel as the substrate. I'm putting a link to another thread on how to treat this using sugar and water, but since it has already been a few days, it may be too late for this to work. If the blood supply gets cut-off to the tissue or he injures it further and infection sets in, you will have more serious problems. This is not something that will heal on its own or just go away. I agree with those who posted above, Vet trip. Good luck....

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ight=prolapsed

Good luck with this, hon <3 please give us an update after the vet to let us know how he's doing =) my thoughts are with your snake <3

I unfortunately don't have any money for a vet visit right now. Is it possible that a regiment of Neosporin to keep it clean and Preparation-H to reduce any inflammation might help?

I really don't want you to take this the wrong way, but I have not finished my afternoon coffee......no let me wake porperly & finish my coffee first

Considering the extremity of the issue no....
This isn't something you can just wait on. It is very serious and requires vet attention asap
I know you don't have the money at the time but to be honest when you bought the snake you accepted the responsibilities along with it, including vet bills if need be. And now that is the case. As the owner it is your responsibility to get the snake to a vet.
I am not scorning you but this is the just the reality of owning a snake.

If you don't have the money, humanly put the animal to sleep.

This is past the stage of getting better.

I've dealt with prolapses' in ferrets before, but only if maybe...1/4 of an inch has come out. Usually it is in babies who are on dry kibble, because they can't process it. All I did was keep their bum lubed up, BUT, since the tissue is starting to change colors, that means there is lack of blood supply and the tissue is dying.

Ok well you need to get this snake to a vet as I think by now it sounds as if it has dried out. I understand that you do not have the money but vets typically will work with you on payment. It should not be that much money.

I know you can do a search and some have tried different tricks as well in the meantime...sugar water...etc. But again at this point you really do need to contact some vets and see who will work with you. You can even contact some local breeders and see who they use...they might even be able to help you.


Now....(here comes the mothering part...sorry)...when you take on any type of pet you really have to think of the what ifs....maybe start some type of savings plan for emergencies such as this. It could be 10 bucks a week...doesn't have to be a lot and it will add up. Make sure you put it in some type of bank account so that you don't have easy access to it...but can get it when you need it.

I also have a hard time justifying a $350 vet bill for a $35 snake. I know that sounds cruel and inhumane, but that's a 1,000% mark up. I do enjoy my snake, and I understand that there is responsibility attached, however the cost of the responsibility cannot outweigh the benefit of having a snake. I know this sound cruel, but consider that the snake would die in nature any way. I will do everything that I can to ensure the duration of it's life is humane, and I will continue to research and take advice on the subject in an effort to save the snake. I have also asked my friends if any of them know any vets that will give me some sort of deal or discount. If such an opportunity arises, then I will incur the applicable costs.

You should have considered that then before getting one, no? If you bought your snake with intentions of it being perfectly healthy its whole life, then you didn't do your research. If you bought your snake knowing it could potentially have problems, and knowing you wouldn't do anything about them if they arose...then I'm sorry, but that's just plain cruelty.

I've had a dog for almost 10 years now, and we've probably paid twenty times more in vet bills and food bills than we did for my girl, but that's the responsibility you take on when you get any animal--even if it's a $35 snake that "would die in nature anyway".

If you aren't going to help your animal, then give him away to someone who WILL try to help him. After all, it's the least you could do now.

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Originally Posted by Gadsden

I also have a hard time justifying a $350 vet bill for a $35 snake. I know that sounds cruel and inhumane, but that's a 1,000% mark up. I do enjoy my snake, and I understand that there is responsibility attached, however the cost of the responsibility cannot outweigh the benefit of having a snake. I know this sound cruel, but consider that the snake would die in nature any way. I will do everything that I can to ensure the duration of it's life is humane, and I will continue to research and take advice on the subject in an effort to save the snake. I have also asked my friends if any of them know any vets that will give me some sort of deal or discount. If such an opportunity arises, then I will incur the applicable costs.

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You can't justify a $350 vet bill for a $35 snake, let's hope you could justify spending more than $35 for husbandry supplies.

If you can't afford to take proper care of the animal, you shouldn't have it. Of course the snake would most likely die if it was in the wild... but it isn't in the wild. It is YOUR pet and it is YOUR responsibility to make sure it has the best care possible. You should've thought about that before purchasing this animal.

If you say the cost of responsibility cannot outweigh the benefit of having a snake, what exactly is the benefit of having an unhealthy snake? If you will do everything you can to make sure the remainder of the snake's life is humane, then you will find a way to get it to the vet... deal or no deal, discount or no discount.

The least you can do is take it in and have it euthanized humanely. Allowing an animal to suffer and die because you think helping it is inconvenient is cruel and disgusting.

Pets cost money. The fact that this animal would die in the wild is irrelevant because this animal is NOT in the wild, it's in your home. Because of you. Take responsibility and do what is best for this snake, which, at this point, is probably putting it out of its misery.

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Originally Posted by Gadsden

I also have a hard time justifying a $350 vet bill for a $35 snake. I know that sounds cruel and inhumane, but that's a 1,000% mark up. I do enjoy my snake, and I understand that there is responsibility attached, however the cost of the responsibility cannot outweigh the benefit of having a snake. I know this sound cruel, but consider that the snake would die in nature any way.

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.......Shame.......

Say you were given a cat for free then it somehow broke it's leg. And you just let it go because "You had a hard time justifying a $400 vet bill for a cat you got for free" Well my friend then that would be animal cruelty. Knowing an animal needs care and you just ignore it.

That is the case here.

There isnt a magic fix for this that you are going to find on internet. As we all have tried to get across to you. I'm afraid if you didn't want to deal with the responsibility that comes with owning a snake you shouldn't have gotten one.

I know you probably feel attacked by the people in the community but we are fighting for the well being of the snake. Snakes don't have voices. SO we much be their voice when they are hurt. We are not simply going to say," Yea that okay let the tissue die and ehh if the snake dies that okay because if it were in nature that would have been the case anyways."

When you come on this forum you are going to get an honest response. Not one that is sugar coated

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Originally Posted by Bones

You can't justify a $350 vet bill for a $35 snake, let's hope you could justify spending more than $35 for husbandry supplies.

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Great point.
Might I add that my normal snake was $50 and I have spent well over $200+ just on his husbandry needs. Snakes aren't cheap.

not really commenting on the OPs question just my 2 cents on the cost/benfit angle

IMO First off husbandry and vet bills are slightly different expenses and need to be evaluated differantly. There has to be a Practicallity factor involved in ownership expecitally if your a breeder not a "pet" owner. I live on a farm and often the tough choices are made on the dollar value, even a 25 dollar vet trip is not concidered when a chicken/barn cat gets injured, the animal is swiftly disbatched . I know that to some this may be distasteful, just the way it is. There are times when the "freezer" is the only real option, thats just my 2 cents.

I guess your parents should have said the same thing about you. I mean you were free right? Why pay medical bills to birth you? Why pay money to buy meds when your sick or even take you to a doctor, dentist, etc?
Same goes for the family dog or cat? Your treating this pet of yours as an investment like a car, but it's not. It's a living, breathing creature who deserves a better owner than yourself. Even though you won't listen to a word we say, atleast do future animals a favor and never own a pet again. :rage:

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Originally Posted by Gadsden

I also have a hard time justifying a $350 vet bill for a $35 snake. I know that sounds cruel and inhumane, but that's a 1,000% mark up. I do enjoy my snake, and I understand that there is responsibility attached, however the cost of the responsibility cannot outweigh the benefit of having a snake. I know this sound cruel, but consider that the snake would die in nature any way. I will do everything that I can to ensure the duration of it's life is humane, and I will continue to research and take advice on the subject in an effort to save the snake. I have also asked my friends if any of them know any vets that will give me some sort of deal or discount. If such an opportunity arises, then I will incur the applicable costs.

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Cost and worth are two different things.. is your snake's life worth saving to you?? If so then the cost is nominal.

This is a terrible thread. Just put down the poor damn snake already. And don't get another pet.

How can you not take that poor snake to a vet? You should have thought about the possibility of it needing vet care before you even thought of purchasing the poor animal. You have a responsibility to that animal! Either give it to someone who can and will take proper care of it or just have the poor thing euthanized.

That's like saying, "Well I only paid $100 for my dog so I am not going to bring him to the vet because it will likely cost more than that."


This is disgusting.

This is just a horrible horrible thread. I can't stand reading it. It makes me so angry. If it had been my snake there wouldn't have even been an initial concern about the vet bill it would be the health of the snake first. There are so many things wrong with this situation I just can't stand it....:(

This thread is getting a bit harsh. As snake keepers we all should know what we are getting into. The snake needs to see a vet or be humanly put down. Some people here may not have a limit to what they will spend on vet bills but some of us do. That doesn't make us bad people. As snake keepers we all make the decision to end an animals life to feed our snakes. Unless we are vegetarian we end animals lives to feed ourselves. Putting a snake down because you don't want to spend $350 dollars on a vet bill is not any worse, in my eyes, than ending 3 chickens lives because I have a craving for a dozen chicken wings (and legs). At the end of the day we all have a line and we shouldn't judge others for where they draw their line. On the other hand I do judge people for inaction, vet or euthanasia, choose quickly.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

This thread is getting a bit harsh. As snake keepers we all should know what we are getting into. The snake needs to see a vet or be humanly put down. Some people here may not have a limit to what they will spend on vet bills but some of us do. That doesn't make us bad people. As snake keepers we all make the decision to end an animals life to feed our snakes. Unless we are vegetarian we end animals lives to feed ourselves. Putting a snake down because you don't want to spend $350 dollars on a vet bill is not any worse, in my eyes, than ending 3 chickens lives because I have a craving for a dozen chicken wings (and legs). At the end of the day we all have a line and we shouldn't judge others for where they draw their line. On the other hand I do judge people for inaction, vet or euthanasia, choose quickly.

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The difference being that my feeders live the best lives possible before I make the decision to feed them off. I have a responsibility to my rats, and I take that as seriously as caring for my snakes. They are well fed, kept in sanitary conditions, and provided entertainment to keep busy. When they become ill I give them the proper care to get them healthy again, or if need be I put them down. The OP is just ignorant for keeping the snake in pain when it's clear ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN.

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Originally Posted by MitsuMike

I guess your parents should have said the same thing about you. I mean you were free right? Why pay medical bills to birth you? Why pay money to buy meds when your sick or even take you to a doctor, dentist, etc? :rage:

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Pet snakes aren't the same as human children. It's very sad, but people have to euthanize their pets all the time because they can't afford to pay vet costs.

I apologize if I came across too harsh. But there are only two options like others have said...vet or euthanasia. From this point on whatever your decision is I will respect it.

Okay, well I've had enough lectures from all of you tree-hugging hippies. I got a Ball Python for $35 under the premise that they are VERY EASY TO TAKE CARE OF! I have never heard of a snake randomly prolapsing it's penis or colon out. I have a dog. My dog cost me $300 as a puppy. I could justify spending that kind of money on a dog for a vet visit. Also, Dogs don't randomly prolapse out their colons or penises.

I came on here for help, not reticule. I got an "easy to maintain" snake. I got a pet under the presupposition that it would not have a random, heinous herniated penis. I know you all love snakes. I do too. I love all animals. If I didn't, I wouldn't get them. Gadsden (My snake) is perfectly comfortable. I have been putting anti-biotic ointment on the prolapse. I keep his habitat humid. I am constantly asking around for an inexpensive vet. I however, cannot afford a random $350 surgery for a snake for crying out loud.

So, if anyone has any GOOD ADVICE then please, let me know. If you have nothing to say but reticule or scorn, then please shut up.

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Originally Posted by Gadsden

Okay, well I've had enough lectures from all of you tree-hugging hippies. I got a Ball Python for $35 under the premise that they are VERY EASY TO TAKE CARE OF! I have never heard of a snake randomly prolapsing it's penis or colon out. I have a dog. My dog cost me $300 as a puppy. I could justify spending that kind of money on a dog for a vet visit. Also, Dogs don't randomly prolapse out their colons or penises.

I came on here for help, not reticule. I got an "easy to maintain" snake. I got a pet under the presupposition that it would not have a random, heinous herniated penis. I know you all love snakes. I do too. I love all animals. If I didn't, I wouldn't get them. Gadsden (My snake) is perfectly comfortable. I have been putting anti-biotic ointment on the prolapse. I keep his habitat humid. I am constantly asking around for an inexpensive vet. I however, cannot afford a random $350 surgery for a snake for crying out loud.

So, if anyone has any GOOD ADVICE then please, let me know. If you have nothing to say but reticule or scorn, then please shut up.

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I am no tree hugging hippie. I can even understand not having the money. What I can not understand is why you do not at least pay the minimal amount to get the snake put down. How can you assume the snake is comfortable? Assumptions are like butts, we all have one.

The snake isn't in any pain. Just to clarify. He seems perfectly content. He doesn't react or get defensive when I go to apply anti-biotic ointment or investigate the prolapse. Seriously, everyone chill. I wanted advice. I didn't come here to be called ignorant or anything else. I understood the chances that the animal would get sick or have something happen to it. I also understood this to be somewhat uncommon. It's also very unfortunate that it happened right after I drained my emergency fund to put tires on my truck so I could continue to commute to work and make a living.

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Originally Posted by Swingline0.0.1

I am no tree hugging hippie. I can even understand not having the money. What I can not understand is why you do not at least pay the minimal amount to get the snake put down. How can you assume the snake is comfortable? Assumptions are like a**holes, we all have one.

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I know that he's not in pain because animals with simple neurological systems like this react adversely to pain. I can touch the prolapse and he doesn't react at all. Use your head. If you had a wound and someone stuck their finger in it, what would you do?

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Originally Posted by sarahlovesmiike

that's like saying, "well i only paid $100 for my dog so i am not going to bring him to the vet because it will likely cost more than that."


this is disgusting.

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dogs don't randomly crap their penises or colons out!

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Originally Posted by Hilltop

not really commenting on the OPs question just my 2 cents on the cost/benfit angle

IMO First off husbandry and vet bills are slightly different expenses and need to be evaluated differantly. There has to be a Practicallity factor involved in ownership expecitally if your a breeder not a "pet" owner. I live on a farm and often the tough choices are made on the dollar value, even a 25 dollar vet trip is not concidered when a chicken/barn cat gets injured, the animal is swiftly disbatched . I know that to some this may be distasteful, just the way it is. There are times when the "freezer" is the only real option, thats just my 2 cents.

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Thank you, someone that understands economics.

You're all failing to understand that if this snake were in the wild, it would probably already be dead, and probably not humanely. Ecology is economics, and it's harsh.

Well Snakes are not easy to take care of. They have exact husbandry needs and when they do get sick they can be expensive.

I understand that you were mislead in the beginning and you just wanted advice however we all have offered the best advice we can give. Vet or euthanasia. There isnt a quick and low cost fix for this type of issue.

And to be honest I didn't appreciate your rant even with censorship. You were very derogatory and it wasnt an appropriate response.

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Originally Posted by Generationshell

Well Snakes are not easy to take care of. They have exact husbandry needs and when they do get sick they can be expensive.

I understand that you were mislead in the beginning and you just wanted advice however we all have offered the best advice we can give. Vet or euthanasia. There isnt a quick and low cost fix for this type of issue.

And to be honest I didn't appreciate your rant even with censorship. You were very derogatory and it wasnt an appropriate response.

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Everyone is being derogatory toward me.

I for one am an excellent pet owner. I have a dog who eats right, gets plenty of exercise, love, and discipline. He is well trained and loyal to his pack. I take him hiking and let him run around. In the winter I take him snowshoeing and he tracks deer; THAT is nature. This snake would be dead in nature by now, and probably eaten by some other, bigger animal. I appreciate your input about how to handle the situation. But I am going to be derogatory back when people are calling me "Disgusting" and "Irresponsible". I refuse to take such attacks lightly when all I wanted was help.

So if you want an appropriate response with no expletives or censorship, there you go.

Oh, wait, what's this? The magical tool of Facebook may have surfaced an old friend from high school who is a vet and may be able to do it for free.

How do you think it is not painful to have your rectum hanging out of your body and for the flesh to start dying????

ALL animals are programmed to not show pain as a defense mechanism. Most animals who eventually start showing pain or symptoms of being sick, are often so sick or so damaged that it is too late for them.

Put this animal to sleep if you can't find someone to help. Most vet places have special credit cards only for vet charges, but if you don't want to do that, put this one to sleep.

Yes snakes are cheap and easy to take care of, but they are still an animal, and just like people, freak accidents and events happen that can cost a lot of money, or cost the life of the animal.

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Originally Posted by Gadsden

dogs don't randomly crap their penises or colons out!

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Actually dogs prolapse quite often when there are female dogs in heat around. It happens to my dogs, but generally goes away. If it doesn't go away, they need surgery before it dries out, like your snake needed.


AND for the record, I'm not a "hippie". I just care for animals and the environment. I will eat a chicken for dinner and cut down a tree to heat my house. And talking down to us, the ones who gave you the proper and ONLY legitimate advice, isn't going to get you anywhere. OF COURSE we were rude to you, instead of taking care of your snake who will now have permanent damage because his "owner" refused to give him the necessary care because he was "asking around for an inexpensive vet". You should have been calling around and seeing if someone could work something out with you, or if they would accept a post dated check. Not just waiting for the magical tool called FaceBook to offer you a solution.

And here is a link that might help you out as far as funds go.


http://www.carecredit.com/vetmed/

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Originally Posted by sarahlovesmiike

Actually dogs prolapse quite often when there are female dogs in heat around. It happens to my dogs, but generally goes away. If it doesn't go away, they need surgery before it dries out, like your snake needed.


AND for the record, I'm not a "hippie". I just care for animals and the environment. I will eat a chicken for dinner and cut down a tree to heat my house. And talking down to us, the ones who gave you the proper and ONLY legitimate advice, isn't going to get you anywhere. OF COURSE we were rude to you, instead of taking care of your snake who will now have permanent damage because his "owner" refused to give him the necessary care because he was "asking around for an inexpensive vet". You should have been calling around and seeing if someone could work something out with you, or if they would accept a post dated check. Not just waiting for the magical tool called FaceBook to offer you a solution.

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Really? Who's been talking down to who here? I'm on the defensive when all I wanted was help.

Your advice isn't the only legitimate advice. It's a snake. Prolapsed hemipene or prolapsed rectums happen in nature, just as in captivity. Do you think that a snake in nature would stand any better chance? No. I am keeping it clean, moist and disinfected. My dear, poor snake would have been long dead by now in the wild. So are you going to get on my case for not searching out every snake in the wild with a prolapsed hemipene and trying to save it too? There's more to life, my friend.

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Originally Posted by Gadsden

dogs don't randomly crap their penises or colons out!

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Regardless of whether they do or not....they DO eat things they cannot digest....they get hit by cars....they ingest poisonous substances...they get cancer...they get hip displaysia...they get ear infections...they get sores and injuries that we have no idea where they came from....they get parvo....they get kennel cough....and I could go on and on. Just because the likelihood of your dog having the same injury as your snake is low doesn't mean it will never need vet care that you can't afford.

Believe it or not, I TOTALLY understand the fiscal dilemma you are facing. The problem is not whether or not you can afford a vet...but rather....your method of trying to justify or excuse your unwillingness to see what people are trying to tell you.

I hope you really did find an "old friend" who is now a vet who happens to have experience dealing with snakes (somewhat rare in the vet world)...and who also happens to live close enough to you to offer free services. And I hope he's still there for you when your dog needs help, too.

The difference is, you are in a sense, playing, "God". In the wild, there are no medications, no vets, if a snake gets sick, yes, it can suffer and die. In captivity, the owner plays the role of, in a sense, a "God". You can choose to take your animals to the vet, and try to help them get better, or you can choose to take away their life if given the choice, or you can choose to let them suffer yourself.

Snakes have a nervous system just like anything else, they can easily feel pain.

Let's look at it this way. If your colon was hanging out, or your..."hemipene" was erm...prolapsed...what would you want done if you knew there was no hope of living because someone couldn't afford your surgery? Would you want to suffer, or get put out of your misery.

Your problem is, you are allowing yourself to see this snake as a mere object, while it is in fact something that can feel pain just like anything else.

It's the same problem we face with dog fighting and animal cruelty, when people say, "Well it's just a dog, or, it's just an animal".

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Originally Posted by AkHerps

How do you think it is not painful to have your rectum hanging out of your body and for the flesh to start dying????

ALL animals are programmed to not show pain as a defense mechanism. Most animals who eventually start showing pain or symptoms of being sick, are often so sick or so damaged that it is too late for them.

Put this animal to sleep if you can't find someone to help. Most vet places have special credit cards only for vet charges, but if you don't want to do that, put this one to sleep.

Yes snakes are cheap and easy to take care of, but they are still an animal, and just like people, freak accidents and events happen that can cost a lot of money, or cost the life of the animal.

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Animals are not inclined to not show pain as a defense mechanism. That makes no sense. they have basic neurological reactions, not "act like a tough guy" complexes.

I would imagine that having my colon shat out would be painful, however, so would being probed for my gender, and we do that to snakes all the time without causing pain to them.

Cost of reptilian life is less than or equal to the cost in dollars. They're not people; my child doesn't have a prolapsed rectum.

And for everyone's information, I have a vet friend that is willing to see what she can do to help. If she cannot, my snake will likely become a feeder snake for another snake. I know that breaks many of your bleeding hearts, and it's not easy to bear myself. But it's nature. I'd rather my snake get turned into energy for another living thing --the way nature intended-- than to be pointlessly euthanized and discarded.

Please PLEASE stop relating a SNAKE to a HUMAN! There's a VAST difference in the value of life. Yes my colon would be painful to be hanging out of my rear. AND I WOULD REACT ADVERSELY IF TOUCHED!

I AM FULLY AWARE that a snake can feel pain!!!! I am not stupid. THAT BEING SAID IF HE FELT PAIN HE WOULD BE REACTING TO IT!

It's not a tough guy act, it's a defense mechanism because they can't show weakness or they risk getting eaten. Almost all animals do this, it's programmed into them.

Probing is not painful at all, same as getting a temperature rectally.

All life is important, no matter what kind of life it is.

Supposedly sugar water soaks will help for a while until you are able to take your snake to the vet....at this point, though, i am not sure that it would be of any use. Maybe...try it while you get the whole vet situation under control?

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Originally Posted by JLC

Regardless of whether they do or not....they DO eat things they cannot digest....they get hit by cars....they ingest poisonous substances...they get cancer...they get hip displaysia...they get ear infections...they get sores and injuries that we have no idea where they came from....they get parvo....they get kennel cough....and I could go on and on. Just because the likelihood of your dog having the same injury as your snake is low doesn't mean it will never need vet care that you can't afford.

Believe it or not, I TOTALLY understand the fiscal dilemma you are facing. The problem is not whether or not you can afford a vet...but rather....your method of trying to justify or excuse your unwillingness to see what people are trying to tell you.

I hope you really did find an "old friend" who is now a vet who happens to have experience dealing with snakes (somewhat rare in the vet world)...and who also happens to live close enough to you to offer free services. And I hope he's still there for you when your dog needs help, too.

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The problem isn't my justifying or excusing my unwillingness to see what people are trying to tell me. The problem is that you're all justifying my unwillingness to do something immediately by relating a snake to a person. IT'S A SNAKE! NOT A CHILD!

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Originally Posted by Igby

Supposedly sugar water soaks will help for a while until you are able to take your snake to the vet....at this point, though, i am not sure that it would be of any use. Maybe...try it while you get the whole vet situation under control?

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What ratio of sugar to water should I solute? What temperature and for how long should I soak him? What effect does sugar water have on a prolapsed rectum?