A Friendship Dilemma

So a good friend of mine sold me a pair of juvenile Dumeril's Boas, and a pair of adult Coastal Rosy boas for a price of only $335 including shipping. Good deal, right?

I received these snakes and didn't see anything obviosuly, or physically wrong with them. These were the snakes that were going to get me back into herps, after a long hiatus.

Anyway, less than a month later I noticed a mite infestation in my Dumeril's enclosure. I had them in a huge glass tank in my son's room. I was forced to do a thorough cleaning of the cage and its contents and the snakes are being treated for mites now.

At this same time, I haven't been successful at the Rosy's accepting feeder mice either. So I decided to call and ask him, this is when he mentioned they were W.C. and so I thought, "oh, maybe they're just getting into hibernation mode and refusing the feeders."

But, I decided to weigh them, and to no surprise they seemed a bit under-weight. Also, at the time of their arrival I did notice that the female's nose had a scale missing, like it had been rubbed against something and fell off.
I called him and told him about it, but he didn't think much of it and said "well, you got a good deal on four snakes!" as if I shouldn't be complaining about the issue?

Anyway... I kept them. But the Rosy's are still not eating and losing weight fast. I'm breeding my own mice, too, hoping that perhaps darker-colored mice will do the trick, as I was advised from the local herp society.

I'm in a dilemma here, I don't know if I should ask for my refund or what. Can this be justified?

If it were me I would at least ask for a refund. If this person truley is a 'good friend' then they should be understanding about the fact that what you got, wasnt what you were looking for.

"Hi, you sold me some wild caught mites with a snake on the side." :taz:

Best of luck.

A refund should be justified if you wanted it, But keep in mind you would be sending them snakes back to such apparently poor conditions, Unless you think the snakes will not make it, I am sure they will have a much better life with you

You got yourself in a bit of a tie, huh?lol. I would call and ask him if I could ship them back to him using ShipYourReptiles.com

Ok, so he's offered me a refund, without the shipping, of course. That's just a loss we both take. I accept that.

But... I'm afraid the rosie's in particular may not make it. We're both in California though, so they wouldn't be traveling far, just from SoCal to NorCal on one overnight trip.

Purchasing wild caught coastal rosy boas.....

Who sold you these animals?

For those who don't know, this is illegal. I'm sure the OP does know this.

What was that guys name at Fish and Game you were friends with again? It may be time to give him another call.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Purchasing wild caught coastal rosy boas.....

Who sold you these animals?

For those who don't know, this is illegal. I'm sure the OP does know this.

What was that guys name at Fish and Game you were friends with again? It may be time to give him another call.

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Yes, I know this is illegal. It's in the game code! He didn't disclose this information until after their arrival, and after I complained about the "missing scale" issue and the apparent refusal of feeder mice.

And unlike you, I'm not a "snitch" so call F&G all you want, Wes.

My only concern here are the animals being unhealthy, and doing the right thing for them. They are here now, and they cannot be released as this is also illegal to do.

Turning in smugglers, which is basically what you've done as you've recieved animals that were illegal for you to purchase, which you knew, yet did anyway, is snitching? I think not.
Perhaps your time behind bars was not long enough. Perhaps you are longing to return. Don't know, don't care BUT, once again, AGAIN, you have flaunted the laws that those of us who care, abide by.

I'd like to know who is engaging in the illegal trade of Native Ca. species. If you won't share, you're just as guilty, especially since you know that without a permit and the ever important number that goes with it, you CANNOT sell Ca. Rosy Boas in Ca.

You know that.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Turning in smugglers, which is basically what you've done as you've recieved animals that were illegal for you to purchase, which you knew, yet did anyway, is snitching? I think not.
Perhaps your time behind bars was not long enough. Perhaps you are longing to return. Don't know, don't care BUT, once again, AGAIN, you have flaunted the laws that those of us who care, abide by.

I'd like to know who is engaging in the illegal trade of Native Ca. species. If you won't share, you're just as guilty, especially since you know that without a permit and the ever important number that goes with it, you CANNOT sell Ca. Rosy Boas in Ca.

You know that.

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Thanks for the educational advise, but no thanks.

In quoting my original post, and again in my reply to your first post I will again say this individual disclosed this information AFTER I questioned their health AFTER their arrival.

You're wasting your time in lecturing me about laws and regulations, because as YOU ALREADY KNOW I'm not here to give explanations. If you're not going to CIVILLY reply to a post, then get the hell outta here. Bottom line.

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Originally Posted by revxus

Thanks for the educational advise, but no thanks.

In quoting my original post, and again in my reply to your first post I will again say this individual disclosed this information AFTER I questioned their health AFTER their arrival.

You're wasting your time in lecturing me about laws and regulations, because as YOU ALREADY KNOW I'm not here to give explanations. If you're not going to CIVILLY reply to a post, then get the $@%# outta here. Bottom line.

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You know that to buy CalKings, Gopher Snakes and Rosy Boas IN Ca. you have to purchase from someone with a permit. By LAW an invoice WITH their permit number must accompany all purchases of permitted native reptile sales.

You bought Ca. Rosys from a guy in Ca. As brilliant as you are, you knew it was illegal, didn't you? Only a total moron or complete attention whore would make that purchase knowing what you know.

You're not a total moron or complete attention whore as well as law breaker, are you? I mean, how dumb would someone who already knows the laws have to be to not only break those laws but then come to a public forum whining for sympathy because he broke those laws.

I guess as dumb as you are, given the facts that you have provided.

This is just what we need, a repeat offender in the spotlight again, making those who are law abiding look all the worse for being ASS ociated with the likes of you.

Thanks petey, thanks ever so much.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

You know that to buy CalKings, Gopher Snakes and Rosy Boas IN Ca. you have to purchase from someone with a permit. By LAW an invoice WITH their permit number must accompany all purchases of permitted native reptile sales.

You bought Ca. Rosys from a guy in Ca. As brilliant as you are, you knew it was illegal, didn't you? Only a total moron or complete attention whore would make that purchase knowing what you know.

You're not a total moron or complete attention whore as well as law breaker, are you? I mean, how dumb would someone who already knows the laws have to be to not only break those laws but then come to a public forum whining for sympathy because he broke those laws.

I guess as dumb as you are, given the facts that you have provided.

This is just what we need, a repeat offender in the spotlight again, making those who are law abiding look all the worse for being ASS ociated with the likes of you.

Thanks petey, thanks ever so much.

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You've made it SO EASY to get you all worked up, Wes.

So easy.

And for that, you're welcome, you're very welcome. :rofl:

Glad to be of service.

So, just to be clear, since you have accepted as fact my statement that you are a total moron attentionwhore, you knew it was illegal to purchase these animals, you purchased them anyway, and now you're here, looking for sympathy?

Good one shorty, good one.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

So, just to be clear, since you have accepted as fact my statement that you are a total moron attentionwhore, you knew it was illegal to purchase these animals, you purchased them anyway, and now you're here, looking for sympathy?

Good one shorty, good one.

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You're misunderstanding what I posted to a complete degree of non-sense.

You have some serious personal issues, Wes. And I'm not looking for sympathy, and don't know what gave you that impression? You either like me or you don't, but personally I just don't care.

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And unlike you, I'm not a "snitch" so call F&G all you want, Wes.

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Actually Wes is right, people like your “Friend” and anyone selling or shipping animals illegally are what is wrong with this hobby and what put this hobby in jeopardy.

Anyone that is honest, and responsible and caring about this hobby and our right to keep reptiles should report those that break the law, and not support them by being silent and failing to report them.

Wes and Deborah are right. Its people like your friend who are going to bring this hobby crashing down around us. Those laws are there for a reason and breaking them is only giving the reptile community a bad name. Those people voting on our right to keep these wonderful creatures are not going to look so kindly on people breaking the LAW. If you want to continue to keep your beloved reptiles, I would first inform your friend of his law-breaking ways and then report him.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Actually Wes is right, people like you “Friend” and anyone selling or shipping animals illegally are what is wrong with this hobby and what put this hobby in jeopardy.

Anyone that is honest, and responsible and caring about this hobby and our right to keep reptiles should report those that break the law, and not support them by being silent and failing to report them.

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And that is YOUR opinion, as for me I have a right to either report it or not get involved in the issue. And that is MY PERSONAL DECISION to do so or not.

You all have the same right, and it isn't very difficult to pick up a phone and dial away. There is no merit here, and it's all hear-say what you have.

Whether I decide to report this or not, it's my choice and I refuse to be influenced by anyone.

What Wes is doing here is not out of the normal, he's pullin' his usual game tac-tics here. So for the record, if it matters...

I NEVER KNOWINGLY PURCHASED THESE ANIMALS ILLEGALLY

Anyone smart enough to READ THE ORIGINAL POST would know that.

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

Wes and Deborah are right. Its people like your friend who are going to bring this hobby crashing down around us. Those laws are there for a reason and breaking them is only giving the reptile community a bad name. Those people voting on our right to keep these wonderful creatures are not going to look so kindly on people breaking the LAW. If you want to continue to keep your beloved reptiles, I would first inform your friend of his law-breaking ways and then report him.

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But here's the problem, if and when I report this individual there is NO RECEIPT. It's a verbal sale. If you take into account the $335 easily pays for the Dumeril's, how can I prove that the Rosy Boas were actually in this transaction?

Like I said, there is no merit, but only hear-say.

It's pretty much guaranteed that the animals have the best chance at a good life if you keep them.

The other issues mentioned unfortunately also put the animals at great risk.

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Originally Posted by revxus

And that is YOUR opinion, as for me I have a right to either report it or not get involved in the issue. And that is MY PERSONAL DECISION to do so or not.

You all have the same right, and it isn't very difficult to pick up a phone and dial away. There is no merit here, and it's all hear-say what you have.

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By not reporting them you are supporting them and that’s the bottom line.

But yes it is your choice, you can chose to help and support people who commit illegal activities no doubt about :rolleyes:.............tells a lot about you and your characther. ;)

Did you save any emails or voice mails that had him telling you they were W.C? Any texts or anything like that? Or was your entire transaction over the phone?

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

It's pretty much guaranteed that the animals have the best chance at a good life if you keep them.

The other issues mentioned unfortunately also put the animals at great risk.

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Exactly my point, so where do you draw the line? It's a shame that some people just don't care about the animals' welfare, and instead just want to discredit people like myself and make judgment calls and implement their views of what is the right thing to do.

The bottom line is that you are supporting a criminal by helping him hide his duties. You want to spport criminals?Fine. But don't update us from JAIL with sympathy. Your choice.

No one said anything about not caring about the animal's welfare. They will be better off with you. They have a better chance at survival. But take a step back and take a good hard look at your "friend". They sold you snakes illegally, and only told you they were wild caught snakes (which are illegal to sell in your area) AFTER the transaction. When you called him about problems, he even said "You got a great deal on some snakes." (or something like that) as if you shouldn't be complaining just because you paid less for them. Sounds to me like he's not that great of a friend if this is how he treats his animals, conducts business, and treats his "friends". I would not hesitate to report him.

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Originally Posted by revxus

I NEVER KNOWINGLY PURCHASED THESE ANIMALS ILLEGALLY

Anyone smart enough to READ THE ORIGINAL POST would know that.

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I dont want to get caught up in this as I do not know the laws for your area, or any area really other than my own.

But I have to say, ignorance cannot be a justifiable excuse. You are supposed to know where your animals came from, and if they are wild caught you need to know they were caught in accordance to the local laws / by-laws etc.

Although you didnt know they were illegally caught, you also didnt know if they were legally caught.

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Originally Posted by BPdude911

The bottom line is that you are supporting a criminal by helping him hide his duties. You want to spport criminals?Fine. But don't update us from JAIL with sympathy. Your choice.

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Good point.

I'll go ahead and report WES POLLOCK immediately to the authorities at Fish & Game.

Hi,

So lets get this straight.

You did not know they were poached when you purchased them -fair enough though it does make me think your good friend is neither.

However.

Upon discovering you had illegally collected animals your only resolution was to send them back to the person who collected them illegally - and then only because of their condition not their legality? Surrendering the animals to F&G did not cross your mind?

So, by your own admission (which is no longer hearsay obviously ) you are planning on knowingly shipping illegally collected animals.

This is against the rules of the site- this one specifically;

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Originally Posted by Site T.O.S.

8. No posts promoting illegal behavior will be tolerated, including but not limited to warez/pirating of copyrighted material, illegal drug or alcohol usage, and illegal ownership or trafficking of species.

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And please watch your tone when responding to posts made by a member of staff to avoid earning yourself further infraction points.

**start of purely personal opinion**
On a personal note also find it somewhat reprehensible that you try and take the high ground in this and claim people are trying to discredit you when a quick search on the BOI for "Pete Perez" shows plainly you discredited yourself years ago and have continued to do so ever since.

Until this thread I had hopes you had changed since those threads were posted but it is obvious you still think nothing of flouting the law with no thought to the consequences for anyone else in the hobby.

Pleading ignorance and playing the victim card seems to be a habit. As is claiming the people who point out your various failings are to blame. :rolleyes:

Oh and make sure to specify if it is the personal opinion section of this post you are replying to just so any infractions the other members of staff feel are needed are fair.
**end of purely personal opinion**


dr del

Wow....you seem like a real cool guy.


Buying illegal snakes....THAT YOU KNEW WERE ILLEGAL. Whether they were WC or not.

Then come here to moan and complain that they are sick....


Dude.....you got a lot of learning to do.

You "rescue" some snake that doesnt need to be rescued, now you buy snakes that are illegal to buy without permits?!?!?!?!

ON A ROLL!!!!!



I know someone who will never sell a snake on this site.


What a tool!


People like YOU.......are the ones making it hard for people like US to have fun in this hobby.

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Originally Posted by revxus

So a good friend of mine sold me a pair of juvenile Dumeril's Boas, and a pair of adult Coastal Rosy boas for a price of only $335 including shipping. Good deal, right?

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I say flat out you are a liar.

There is no way someone as smart and well versed in reptiles as you yourself have claimed to be, would purchase Coastal Rosy Boas without asking about them, without wanting to know the history, what they were eating, how they were kept and, most importantly, as a law abiding citizen and stalwart upholder of the law, a shining beacon to all to see, what the guys permit number was so that when you went to sell them later down the road you would be able to do so legally.

You weren't planning on selling the babies of poached parents illegally, were you?

I mean, you weren't planning on breaking THAT law as well as the others, were you?

That's not good petey, not good at all. People won't like that you're putting their ability to keep these slithery friends of ours in serious jeopardy. That's not very neighborly of you, narcissistic as all get out, but not neighborly at all.

So, who'd you get them from? You've already admitted to being the receiver of poached snakes, who poached em?

And one final question, have you been arrested for beating up any girls lately or have you just gotten away clean?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

And one final question, have you been arrested for beating up any girls lately or have you just gotten away clean?

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I fail to see what this has to do with the current topic of illegally obtained snakes.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

So lets get this straight.

You did not know they were poached when you purchased them -fair enough though it does make me think your good friend is neither.

However.

Upon discovering you had illegally collected animals your only resolution was to send them back to the person who collected them illegally - and then only because of their condition not their legality? Surrendering the animals to F&G did not cross your mind?

So, by your own admission (which is no longer hearsay obviously ) you are planning on knowingly shipping illegally collected animals.

This is against the rules of the site- this one specifically;



And please watch your tone when responding to posts made by a member of staff to avoid earning yourself further infraction points.

**start of purely personal opinion**
On a personal note also find it somewhat reprehensible that you try and take the high ground in this and claim people are trying to discredit you when a quick search on the BOI for "Pete Perez" shows plainly you discredited yourself years ago and have continued to do so ever since.

Until this thread I had hopes you had changed since those threads were posted but it is obvious you still think nothing of flouting the law with no thought to the consequences for anyone else in the hobby.

Pleading ignorance and playing the victim card seems to be a habit. As is claiming the people who point out your various failings are to blame. :rolleyes:

Oh and make sure to specify if it is the personal opinion section of this post you are replying to just so any infractions the other members of staff feel are needed are fair.
**end of purely personal opinion**


dr del

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I NEVER promoted the "illegal ownership and trafficking of species." If I am correct, the English dictionary defines the word PROMOTING as follows:

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to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further:

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The report has been made. Therefore, I am not promoting anything against the site's rules.

This is exactly what's wrong with the herp community! Instead of making judgment calls, and layin' out the law you should be advising and encouraging!

And I never said I was going to ship them back, I simply stated that I was offered to ship them back.

I've made the report. What now?!

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Originally Posted by wilomn

And one final question, have you been arrested for beating up any girls lately or have you just gotten away clean?

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Oh, did I hurt you that bad? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

I fail to see what this has to do with the current topic of illegally obtained snakes.

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Character my friend, character.

Or lack thereof.

You decide.

You in favor of beating up girls? You ok with guys who do?

Just got back from reading the BOI.....

Wow is all I can say.


This is not the first time Pete has tried to get pity from some shady deal.


I swear....there is a dark dank corner SOMEWHERE you can go crawl in.


Im actually surprised you are allowed to post here. After all the slander and crap that you have pulled over the years.......laughable my friend, purely laughable.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Character my friend, character.

Or lack thereof.

You decide.

You in favor of beating up girls? You ok with guys who do?

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1.) Who's beating up girls?!

2.) What does beating up girls have to do with this thread?!

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This is exactly what's wrong with the herp community! Instead of making judgment calls, and layin' out the law you should be advising and encouraging!

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That's what WE do as a community and will continue to do, however we will never support people who sell, ship animals illegally and those that defend them.

Do you understand people like those are what's wrong with this hobby?

I guess not since you think it's ok.

Oh and shame on US for calling that kind of people out for jeopardizing OUR hobby. :rolleyes:

Just history repeating itself, I guess some people never learn :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Deborah

That's what WE do as a community and will continue to do, however we will never support people who sell, ship animals illegally and those that defend them.

Do you understand people like those are what's wrong with this hobby?

I guess not since you think it's ok.

Oh and shame on US for calling that kind of people out for jeopardizing OUR hobby. :rolleyes:

Just history repeating itself, I guess some people never learn :rolleyes:

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Deb,

With all due respect, this "native species" is always a very touchy issue with this community. I understand that now.

I think you missed my reply where I CLEARLY STATED that I have contacted Fish & Game already. The report has been made.

But the discussion continues??? What gives?!

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Character my friend, character.

Or lack thereof.

You decide.

You in favor of beating up girls? You ok with guys who do?

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DO NOT attack my character on this forum in such a manner just because I fail to see the point in attacking his character with questions such as that. I was merely asking what that had to do with the topic at hand. If it doesn't have to do with illegally obtained snakes and the sale/transport of said snakes, then it should not be posted.

Now, back on topic. You said you reported him, and now you just let them handle the situation. Keep your snakes and do what is best for them. I would personally not breed these snakes and keep them purely as pets since the breeding and sale of their offspring is probably illegal too.

People can learn from this thread IMO. It's always good to remind yourself that when purchasing reptiles for really good deals, you need to ask as many questions as possible, and get things in writing/e-mails.

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

DO NOT attack my character on this forum in such a manner just because I fail to see the point in attacking his character with questions such as that. I was merely asking what that had to do with the topic at hand. If it doesn't have to do with illegally obtained snakes and the sale/transport of said snakes, then it should not be posted.

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It is what he does best.

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Now, back on topic. You said you reported him, and now you just let them handle the situation. Keep your snakes and do what is best for them. I would personally not breed these snakes and keep them purely as pets since the breeding and sale of their offspring is probably illegal too.

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I may not be the most-liked individual, and like I said before I really don't care whether you like me or not.

You can't please the world!

I completely understand the situation.

1) Rev, the best I can tell you is to do the best you can with the snakes. Hopefully they will thrive for you. If the Rosey's don't make it, then cut your losses.

2) If you decide to report this person, then do it anonymously from a pay phone so that your name and number are not recorded.

3) Everyone who is bashing him needs to get some understanding on the reality and the gravity of the consequences of being a "rat."

I'm not condoning, supporting, or endorsing illegal activities, but those who do engage in those enterprises are ruthless people who will not hesitate to dispatch an informant on principle alone.

But then again, maybe I'm just being melodramatic...

Rob

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

People can learn from this thread IMO. It's always good to remind yourself that when purchasing reptiles for really good deals, you need to ask as many questions as possible, and get things in writing/e-mails.

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Good point, but what if you have known this individual for many, many years?! That's hard to swallow, wouldn't you say?

And I never seemed to have received a reply to proving the sale of such snakes, and proving the fact that they were illegally obtained by the shipper?
It was a verbal sale!

The price paid was $335, he could simply deny the fact that he sold me the Rosy's because there is no receipt, or he could just deny the whole thing and still get away with it, no? I mean, the real issue here is how can I prove that they were illegally obtained?

Hi,

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Originally Posted by revxus

I NEVER promoted the "illegal ownership and trafficking of species." If I am correct, the English dictionary defines the word PROMOTING as follows:

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And the deffinition of traffiking is;

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1. To pass goods and commodities from one person to another for an equivalent in goods or money; to buy or sell goods; to barter; to trade. [1913 Webster]

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So when he gives you a refund and you ship him back the snakes you would be........

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Originally Posted by revxus

The report has been made. Therefore, I am not promoting anything against the site's rules.

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So now a report has been made? Only you failed to mention this at any earlier point and I seem to have left my telepathy in my other pants.

Would this be independantly verifiable at all? Wes?

But even so you still expressed an intention or at least a willingness to consider traffiking the animals.

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Originally Posted by revxus

Ok, so he's offered me a refund, without the shipping, of course. That's just a loss we both take. I accept that.

But... I'm afraid the rosie's in particular may not make it. We're both in California though, so they wouldn't be traveling far, just from SoCal to NorCal on one overnight trip.

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And of course you are without doubt currently in ownership of illegally collected animals by your own admition.

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Originally Posted by revxus

This is exactly what's wrong with the herp community! Instead of making judgment calls, and layin' out the law you should be advising and encouraging!

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No sir. :salute:

We are not what is wrong with the herp copmmunity.

But since you asked.

I advise you to stop breaking herp related laws before you damage anyone elses ability to own or ship animals.

And I encourage you to live a useful and productive life that doesn't result in you being in the newspaper giving the HSUS and their cronies more ammunition to fire at us.

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Originally Posted by revxus

And I never said I was going to ship them back, I simply stated that I was offered to ship them back.

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Covered above.

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Originally Posted by revxus

I've made the report. What now?!

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I'm hoping your friend gets arrested and you surrender the animals and give evidence against him.


dr del

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to revxus again.

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Damn!!!!!!!!

I highly doubt his "friend" would "dispatch" him for reporting illegal activity. He may lose this "friend" though. Of course I would not want to be "friends" with someone who knowingly breaks the law like this.

Any "Friend" that would put me or my beloved hobby in jeopardy like this is not a friend. They are a person who is looking to make money by any means, and that's not a trait I look for in friends.

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Originally Posted by dr del

I'm hoping your friend gets arrested and you surrender the animals and give evidence against him.


dr del

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I am NOT condoning anything....I buy from very reliable sources that have been in business for quite a while. If I was going to buy from a new source...I would totally check him out. There are soooooooo many avenues

I do have a question regarding this statement. When you surrender the animals what happens to them. That would be my only concern? Do they let send them back to Africa and let them go? Are they put down? Just wondering......I hate to think that it would be the demise of the animals because of a ....hmmm...can't say that word unless I want an infraction.

Mind you I do think that person needs to be caught....that is a terrible thing to do to the snakes. Not to sound like a whimp but it makes me really sad

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Originally Posted by dr del

So when he gives you a refund and you ship him back the snakes you would be........

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I haven't shipped them, nor plan to. I'm assuming F&G will pick them up, since they asked for my address? I've done my part.

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So now a report has been made? Only you failed to mention this at any earlier point and I seem to have left my telepathy in my other pants.

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I did state this before. Please read.

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Would this be independantly verifiable at all? Wes?

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Who is he do verify?

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But even so you still expressed an intention or at least a willingness to consider traffiking the animals.

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This is incorrect, I simply asked what I should do, and as most advised I did so. And that was to make that report.

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And of course you are without doubt currently in ownership of illegally collected animals by your own admition.

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Do I have any other choice? Am I to release them out in some field as if nothing happened?! That's illegal! Am I to ship them back?! That's illegal, too. So there is no other way but to keep them, and wait for F&G to do as they see fit. Which again... I have.

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I advise you to stop breaking herp related laws before you damage anyone elses ability to own or ship animals.

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I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself, but apparently I must. I did not INTENTIONALLY break the law in obtaining these animals. And since I was the unfortunate receiver of these snakes, the only thing I can do is follow through with reporting it, which again... and again... I have.

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And I encourage you to live a useful and productive life that doesn't result in you being in the newspaper giving the HSUS and their cronies more ammunition to fire at us.

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I'm trying to, but it's nearly impossible with all the bashing and attitutudes here. I'm simply asking, and I get bashed over and over as if I'm the one who collected these animals and sold them!

just a few questions here
why was this thread not locked at post 6 or 7?
why was it posted under bp general?

Hi,

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I haven't shipped them, nor plan to. I'm assuming F&G will pick them up, since they asked for my address? I've done my part.

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Good. :salute:

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I did state this before. Please read.

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Actually my reading comprehension is really quite good. This post is the only post before the one I made (the one the discussion about the reporting issue stems from ) that you mentioned reporting anything to anyone as something you intended to do.

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Good point.

I'll go ahead and report WES POLLOCK immediately to the authorities at Fish & Game.

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Who is he do verify?

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The only person I know in the same state that definately has the phone number needed to do so.

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Do I have any other choice? Am I to release them out in some field as if nothing happened?! That's illegal! Am I to ship them back?! That's illegal, too. So there is no other way but to keep them, and wait for F&G to do as they see fit. Which again... I have.

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Yes I understand this to be the case but that was not the case when I quoted the rule to you and stated you were in breach of it. Once you reported their existence to F&G I ceased to have a problem with it.


dr del

I'm shrugging my shoulders.

Why?

Because there is no winning here, and yes history does repeat itself.

There are a lot of vets around here that hide behind their little computers arguing about what's right and wrong (in their own mind).

I may not be the most-liked individual in this "community" and I know that, and I accept that. But like I have said before, I really don't care whether I am liked or not. That's just the nature of the beast!

I'm not looking to make a quick buck in this hobby, I'm just having fun with it. If you buy from me a year or two down the line, great! If not, then oh well someone else will!

But here's my problem... because they're giving away infractions as if they're candy!

First, quit the whining!

Second, stop layin' down the law like you're some kind of perfect law-abiding citizen, haven't you ever got a parking ticket, ran a red light or done a rolling stop?

And lastly, but most importantly - just be more supportive than you are critical. It's a learning process here!

I'm just sayin'...