A Friendship Dilemma

[revxus]

It's pretty much guaranteed that the animals have the best chance at a good life if you keep them.

The other issues mentioned unfortunately also put the animals at great risk.

Exactly my point, so where do you draw the line? It's a shame that some people just don't care about the animals' welfare, and instead just want to discredit people like myself and make judgment calls and implement their views of what is the right thing to do.

[BPdude911]

The bottom line is that you are supporting a criminal by helping him hide his duties. You want to spport criminals?Fine. But don't update us from JAIL with sympathy. Your choice.

[Jay_Bunny]

No one said anything about not caring about the animal's welfare. They will be better off with you. They have a better chance at survival. But take a step back and take a good hard look at your "friend". They sold you snakes illegally, and only told you they were wild caught snakes (which are illegal to sell in your area) AFTER the transaction. When you called him about problems, he even said "You got a great deal on some snakes." (or something like that) as if you shouldn't be complaining just because you paid less for them. Sounds to me like he's not that great of a friend if this is how he treats his animals, conducts business, and treats his "friends". I would not hesitate to report him.

[flynn]

I NEVER KNOWINGLY PURCHASED THESE ANIMALS ILLEGALLY

Anyone smart enough to READ THE ORIGINAL POST would know that.

I dont want to get caught up in this as I do not know the laws for your area, or any area really other than my own.

But I have to say, ignorance cannot be a justifiable excuse. You are supposed to know where your animals came from, and if they are wild caught you need to know they were caught in accordance to the local laws / by-laws etc.

Although you didnt know they were illegally caught, you also didnt know if they were legally caught.

[revxus]

The bottom line is that you are supporting a criminal by helping him hide his duties. You want to spport criminals?Fine. But don't update us from JAIL with sympathy. Your choice.

Good point.

I'll go ahead and report WES POLLOCK immediately to the authorities at Fish & Game.

[dr del]

Hi,

So lets get this straight.

You did not know they were poached when you purchased them -fair enough though it does make me think your good friend is neither.

However.

Upon discovering you had illegally collected animals your only resolution was to send them back to the person who collected them illegally - and then only because of their condition not their legality? Surrendering the animals to F&G did not cross your mind?

So, by your own admission (which is no longer hearsay obviously ) you are planning on knowingly shipping illegally collected animals.

This is against the rules of the site- this one specifically;

8. No posts promoting illegal behavior will be tolerated, including but not limited to warez/pirating of copyrighted material, illegal drug or alcohol usage, and illegal ownership or trafficking of species.

And please watch your tone when responding to posts made by a member of staff to avoid earning yourself further infraction points.

**start of purely personal opinion**
On a personal note also find it somewhat reprehensible that you try and take the high ground in this and claim people are trying to discredit you when a quick search on the BOI for "Pete Perez" shows plainly you discredited yourself years ago and have continued to do so ever since.

Until this thread I had hopes you had changed since those threads were posted but it is obvious you still think nothing of flouting the law with no thought to the consequences for anyone else in the hobby.

Pleading ignorance and playing the victim card seems to be a habit. As is claiming the people who point out your various failings are to blame.

Oh and make sure to specify if it is the personal opinion section of this post you are replying to just so any infractions the other members of staff feel are needed are fair.
**end of purely personal opinion**


dr del

[Patrick Long]

Wow....you seem like a real cool guy.


Buying illegal snakes....THAT YOU KNEW WERE ILLEGAL. Whether they were WC or not.

Then come here to moan and complain that they are sick....


Dude.....you got a lot of learning to do.

You "rescue" some snake that doesnt need to be rescued, now you buy snakes that are illegal to buy without permits?!?!?!?!

ON A ROLL!!!!!



I know someone who will never sell a snake on this site.


What a tool!


People like YOU.......are the ones making it hard for people like US to have fun in this hobby.

[wilomn]

So a good friend of mine sold me a pair of juvenile Dumeril's Boas, and a pair of adult Coastal Rosy boas for a price of only $335 including shipping. Good deal, right?

I say flat out you are a liar.

There is no way someone as smart and well versed in reptiles as you yourself have claimed to be, would purchase Coastal Rosy Boas without asking about them, without wanting to know the history, what they were eating, how they were kept and, most importantly, as a law abiding citizen and stalwart upholder of the law, a shining beacon to all to see, what the guys permit number was so that when you went to sell them later down the road you would be able to do so legally.

You weren't planning on selling the babies of poached parents illegally, were you?

I mean, you weren't planning on breaking THAT law as well as the others, were you?

That's not good petey, not good at all. People won't like that you're putting their ability to keep these slithery friends of ours in serious jeopardy. That's not very neighborly of you, narcissistic as all get out, but not neighborly at all.

So, who'd you get them from? You've already admitted to being the receiver of poached snakes, who poached em?

And one final question, have you been arrested for beating up any girls lately or have you just gotten away clean?

[Jay_Bunny]

And one final question, have you been arrested for beating up any girls lately or have you just gotten away clean?

I fail to see what this has to do with the current topic of illegally obtained snakes.

[revxus]

Hi,

So lets get this straight.

You did not know they were poached when you purchased them -fair enough though it does make me think your good friend is neither.

However.

Upon discovering you had illegally collected animals your only resolution was to send them back to the person who collected them illegally - and then only because of their condition not their legality? Surrendering the animals to F&G did not cross your mind?

So, by your own admission (which is no longer hearsay obviously ) you are planning on knowingly shipping illegally collected animals.

This is against the rules of the site- this one specifically;



And please watch your tone when responding to posts made by a member of staff to avoid earning yourself further infraction points.

**start of purely personal opinion**
On a personal note also find it somewhat reprehensible that you try and take the high ground in this and claim people are trying to discredit you when a quick search on the BOI for "Pete Perez" shows plainly you discredited yourself years ago and have continued to do so ever since.

Until this thread I had hopes you had changed since those threads were posted but it is obvious you still think nothing of flouting the law with no thought to the consequences for anyone else in the hobby.

Pleading ignorance and playing the victim card seems to be a habit. As is claiming the people who point out your various failings are to blame.

Oh and make sure to specify if it is the personal opinion section of this post you are replying to just so any infractions the other members of staff feel are needed are fair.
**end of purely personal opinion**


dr del

I NEVER promoted the "illegal ownership and trafficking of species." If I am correct, the English dictionary defines the word PROMOTING as follows:

to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further:

The report has been made. Therefore, I am not promoting anything against the site's rules.

This is exactly what's wrong with the herp community! Instead of making judgment calls, and layin' out the law you should be advising and encouraging!

And I never said I was going to ship them back, I simply stated that I was offered to ship them back.

I've made the report. What now?!