Lowest prices you've seen for these morphs?

I got this question from a thread I just viewed, and I was just wondering how low in pricing you've seen these morphs this year:

Pastel
Spider
Cinnamon
Piebald
Albino
Yellow Belly
Lesser Platinum
Mojave

For the Spiders I've seen males at $150 and females at $250 on Kingsnake. When I saw the Pastel male pricing I think I did see $100 more or less and females for $150.

I dislike threads like this......

Pastel - 60$
Spider - 250$
Cinnamon- 200$
Piebald- 900$
Albino- 500$
Yellow Belly- Frig if I know
Lesser Platinum- 400$
Mojave- 300$

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Pastel - 60$
Spider - 250$
Cinnamon- 200$
Piebald- 900$
Albino- 500$
Yellow Belly- Frig if I know
Lesser Platinum- 400$
Mojave- 300$

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Man, things have been getting pretty low now. I remember seeing albinos for $700-$800, and Pieds for $1,200.

pastel-50

spider-125

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Originally Posted by Beto510

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Where did you see a Spider for $125?

Whats the lowest you've seen a BMW... Thats what I think of when I hear people ask these questions... I can easly look in the classifieds and find a BMW or Lexus for way under retail... but what am I sacrificing... The paint will be chipped.. rims scratched... tint falling off... the same goes for morphs... not all morphs are the same... everyone and their grandmother is now trying to breed.. thus... there are various levels of quality out there...

Everytime I get ready for my new purchase, I dont ask "whats the lowest price"... I ask... whats the best quality I can afford... regardless of what people are selling their pastels, lessers, etc for, i will pay double to get the best morph out there... thats just my opinion...

Mind that most of my prices come from this forum or from my experience last year or from the few times I have checked kingsnake. So I'm a terrible person to ask.

But I did get my female pastel for 60$.

Prices are male/female.

Pastel - $35/$100
Spider - $100/$125
Cinnamon - $100/$150
Piebald - $800/$1000
Albino - $400/n/a
Yellow Belly - $50/n/a
Lesser Platinum $350/n/a
Mojave $100/$225

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Originally Posted by marct

Whats the lowest you've seen a BMW... Thats what I think of when I hear people ask these questions... I can easly look in the classifieds and find a BMW or Lexus for way under retail... but what am I sacrificing... The paint will be chipped.. rims scratched... tint falling off... the same goes for morphs... not all morphs are the same... everyone and their grandmother is now trying to breed.. thus... there are various levels of quality out there...

Everytime I get ready for my new purchase, I dont ask "whats the lowest price"... I ask... whats the best quality I can afford... regardless of what people are selling their pastels, lessers, etc for, i will pay double to get the best morph out there... thats just my opinion...

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Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it's bad. Just as stated in the other thread, what if a good quality breeder is blowing out stock to move on to something else? I just picked up an 08 male cinny and an 09 male mojave for $300 and they are nice quality animals.

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Originally Posted by marct

Whats the lowest you've seen a BMW... Thats what I think of when I hear people ask these questions... I can easly look in the classifieds and find a BMW or Lexus for way under retail... but what am I sacrificing... The paint will be chipped.. rims scratched... tint falling off... the same goes for morphs... not all morphs are the same... everyone and their grandmother is now trying to breed.. thus... there are various levels of quality out there...

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Used ball python for sale, under 10,000 miles, out of warranty.

I agree with you on that ... but that is not always the case...

You get what you pay for in most cases. Sure, you can get a kinked Caramel for cheaper than a flawless Caramel, but why? If your only consideration when purchasing a snake FOR BREEDING PURPOSES, is price, you are going to be in for a rude awakening down the line. Anytime I see someone looking for the cheapest snake, I do not even respond to their WANTED ads.

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

You get what you pay for in most cases. Sure, you can get a kinked Caramel for cheaper than a flawless Caramel, but why? If your only consideration when purchasing a snake FOR BREEDING PURPOSES, is price, you are going to be in for a rude awakening down the line. Anytime I see someone looking for the cheapest snake, I do not even respond to their WANTED ads.

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Thats my point... thanks

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Originally Posted by marct

I agree with you on that ... but that is not always the case...

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And I agree with you on that.

Unless I know the person selling the animals and know they produce nice quality animals, I won't buy them (morphs).

IE: I saw 09 pied's on kingsnake for $1k, a little leery I looked and they were being sold by Jason Feagans whom I know and trust. And they're even the super low whites that I like. :D Might have to buy one. :D

I am getting this 900g albino for $500

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ino-female.jpg

Its a perfectly good looking albino at a really good price. So price doesn't always equal quality (don't mind the bit of shed stuck to her, I researched the breeder on fauna, he is a stand up guy, had at least 10 people praising his name). Sometimes you just find a sweet deal because a breeder needs to clear space.

Low white pieds for some reason are at $800, i've seen two for that price. The started 09 albino i got was $300. All these were at the steel city reptile expo. Spiders were 150 for males/females. I got my Proven butter (kinda like a lesser) for 450. Both him and the albino were bought from the Boa Barn

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Originally Posted by marct

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Everytime I get ready for my new purchase, I dont ask "whats the lowest price"... I ask... whats the best quality I can afford... regardless of what people are selling their pastels, lessers, etc for, i will pay double to get the best morph out there... thats just my opinion...

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Originally Posted by marct

the same goes for morphs... not all morphs are the same... everyone and their grandmother is now trying to breed..

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Yes, but unlike those trying to breed BMWs by tossing a couple in a rubbermaid tub, everyone and their grandmother can pretty much breed successfully with a couple snakes they acquired directly from larger breeders. Just because a pied was produced from NERD stock in a spare bedroom doesn't, in and of itself, make it any lower quality of an animal than one produced by NERD directly.

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Originally Posted by LGL

I dislike threads like this......

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I couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by bobbittle

Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it's bad. Just as stated in the other thread, what if a good quality breeder is blowing out stock to move on to something else? I just picked up an 08 male cinny and an 09 male mojave for $300 and they are nice quality animals.

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Good quality breeders don't "blow out stock". These are living animals, not last year's toaster oven models.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

I got this question from a thread I just viewed, and I was just wondering how low in pricing you've seen these morphs this year:

Pastel
Spider
Cinnamon
Piebald
Albino
Yellow Belly
Lesser Platinum
Mojave

For the Spiders I've seen males at $150 and females at $250 on Kingsnake. When I saw the Pastel male pricing I think I did see $100 more or less and females for $150.

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i dont see where she says shes looking to buy the cheapest bp as quick as she can. dont flame right away because it gets REALLY annoying, AND it drives OFF TOPIC. which in my opinion, unless u asked why shes asking, theres no reason u immediately flame and drive off topic. just answer the question.

if u have an opinion that u just cant help but get off ur chest, pm. dont assume...

again: just answer the question

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

Yes, but unlike those trying to breed BMWs by tossing a couple in a rubbermaid tub, everyone and their grandmother can pretty much breed successfully with a couple snakes they acquired directly from larger breeders. Just because a pied was produced from NERD stock in a spare bedroom doesn't, in and of itself, make it any lower quality of an animal than one produced by NERD directly.

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O really... then try buying a pied from Andy at NERD for $800... Let me know how that works for ya...

Talk about annoying....are you texting someone, or posting on a public forum?

Dave

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Originally Posted by marct

O really... then try buying a pied from Andy at NERD for $800... Let me know how that works for ya...

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So you profess the belief that price is a direct representation of quality?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Good quality breeders don't "blow out stock". These are living animals, not last year's toaster oven models.

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Now we are just mincing words. "blowing out stock" means that the breeder needs to clear out space and money wise it makes sense to sell for a bit under market because they don't want the expense of feeding and housing it. I don't see why a good breeder would never try and quickly sell an animal they no longer need. Snakes cost money to keep, our hypothetical BMW doesn't need a rat every week.

But yeah, these threads are bad. I just wanted to show off the new albino I'll be getting Tuesday ;p hehe

here we go again. another "buying the morph or the quality" debate.

wonderful.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

here we go again. another "buying the morph or the quality" debate.

wonderful.

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The right answer is to buy the morph, right, RIGHT!?!

Ahhhh I love this place.

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Originally Posted by euphuistical

The right answer is to buy the morph, right, RIGHT!?!

Ahhhh I love this place.

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my point is that theres no right answer.... it depends on the person... OPINION.. easily debateable.. but thats not wut the op wanted to talk about.

i love this place too. but sometimes i hate it.

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Originally Posted by euphuistical

The right answer is to buy the morph, right, RIGHT!?!

Ahhhh I love this place.

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If you don't like it here, leave. I don't know what more to tell you. This is a message board and opinions are expressed constantly. Sorry if they don't jive with your feelings on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Hooba

here we go again. another "buying the morph or the quality" debate.

wonderful.

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See above.

I am sure somebody can start a Ball Python bargain hunters forum, right? Deal of the day!

Maybe you can call it "Snoot" and every day someone can post a great deal they saw on a Ball Python??? :gj:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

See above.

I am sure somebody can start a Ball Python bargain hunters forum, right? Deal of the day!

Maybe you can call it "Snoot" and every day someone can post a great deal they saw on a Ball Python??? :gj:

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Actually, that's not a bad idea.

The fact is, the girl asked about prices, not quality of snakes or sellers.

People do sell high quality animals at bargain basement prices. I've done it, so have many others. Some big breeders make deals for low cost animals and there's no denying that, we all know it happens. We just don't always know to whom and for how little.

Price does not quality make, nor does it preclude it.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I am sure somebody can start a Ball Python bargain hunters forum, right? Deal of the day!

Maybe you can call it "Snoot" and every day someone can post a great deal they saw on a Ball Python??? :gj:

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LOL!! ok, now THATS a good idea. :gj:

omg imagine that warzone :P

Look, some of us make $100K a year, some of us make much, much less. People from all walks of life and all income brackets can breed Balls, which is one of the big draws. Paying $4K for a Ball from a big breeder when you can buy it for $2800 from a smaller but honest breeder makes no sense. But, if you get labeled as a flawed or B grade Ball buyer, and plan on breeding them, don't expect educated buyers to buy from you. When you have kinked Caramels and ugly Pastels and all single Co Dom males to sell, don't come crying that you cannot sell your hatchlings.

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

So you profess the belief that price is a direct representation of quality?

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In some cases, yes.

In some cases, the big shiny name brand inflates the price disproportionately. I can go to Aldi can get a can of corn for $.25 but that can of green giant at walmart is $1.00. More than likely they're the same corn, maybe even packed at the same factory. Why the price difference? Name brand.

N.E.R.D. is alot more recognizable in the industry than the random small breeder who still produces outstanding stock.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Actually, that's not a bad idea.

The fact is, the girl asked about prices, not quality of snakes or sellers.

People do sell high quality animals at bargain basement prices. I've done it, so have many others. Some big breeders make deals for low cost animals and there's no denying that, we all know it happens. We just don't always know to whom and for how little.

Price does not quality make, nor does it preclude it.

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I don't disagree with you. It does get a little tiring though hearing about prices. Also, people who tend to look at price first likely don't have quality at the top of their list.

Does it seem like these threads ALWAYS relate to Ball Pythons? I don't recall seeing them about any other animal.

Value and Worth are two different things.

Just because you seek a deal doesn't mean it will carry the same value that it was worth.

There are plenty of people on here who paid $10k or more for snakes that are now worth massive amounts less, but they still carry the same value. :gj:

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

Look, some of us make $100K a year, some of us make much, much less. People from all walks of life and all income brackets can breed Balls, which is one of the big draws. Paying $4K for a Ball from a big breeder when you can buy it for $2800 from a smaller but honest breeder makes no sense. But, if you get labeled as a flawed or B grade Ball buyer, and plan on breeding them, don't expect educated buyers to buy from you. When you have kinked Caramels and ugly Pastels and all single Co Dom males to sell, don't come crying that you cannot sell your hatchlings.

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Dave, dave dave, doesn't ralph have kinked caramels? Doesn't that sort of shoot holes in your boat?

If you purchase "cheap" but good snakes, who friggin cares? There are enough newbs coming into this that reputation is not as important as some want to think for first timers. And once those first timers have a happy experience and get a quality snake they will purchase again as well as spread the word about what a cool snake they got. This also shoots hole, of a large caliber, into your rickety boat.

Do you ask the price of the parents of every snake you buy?


Lighten up.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Dave, dave dave, doesn't ralph have kinked caramels? Doesn't that sort of shoot holes in your boat?

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He may have them, but I don't believe he sells them. Now this isn't a defense of Ralph Davis because he is a big breeder I wouldn't buy from. I consider more than just the quality of the snake. I consider the breeder and the quality of person that breeder is.

I saw lessers for $375, but they weren't very good lessers, lol.

I have seen low prices before but what is really relevant when you buy an animal, well at least for me is not how low the price is, it is how good the animal look and by whom it is sold.

When I look into purchasing a new morph, I am looking for the best looking example of that morph, I don’t buy a morph just to say I have it.

I also buy from people that I know and trust, I don’t buy from just anyone because they have the lowest price, there are people in this business I would not even accept an animal from even if it was FREE. :cool:

So yeah there are people looking for low prices and then there are the others!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

If you don't like it here, leave. I don't know what more to tell you. This is a message board and opinions are expressed constantly. Sorry if they don't jive with your feelings on the subject.



See above.

I am sure somebody can start a Ball Python bargain hunters forum, right? Deal of the day!

Maybe you can call it "Snoot" and every day someone can post a great deal they saw on a Ball Python??? :gj:

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Oh man I know. I was just making light of the situation. You are going to have all kind of views and personalities. It's a great place and I do love it but forums are just funny places sometimes.

I do not know if Ralph has kinked Caramels, or if he infacts sells Kinked Caramels. I am talking about quality of snakes that are purchased for the sole purpose of breeding. If you buy a kinked caramel to use as a breeder, I think that is piss poor thinking, no matter what the price is. If you purchase a spider that ties itself in knots just because it is a few dollars less, to use as your breeder male, that is again, poor thinking and poor planning. I have seen and heard of people passing up a NICE Pastel to buy an ugly one, just to save $20.

Sure, price should be one of many considerations when buying a Ball, but if it is the only one, and you intend on starting a breeding program, I think you are going to be sorely dissapointed down the line.

Dave

Of course Ralph Davis has kinked caramels. EVERYONE who breeds caramels has kinked caramels. That's part of their genetic legacy, they throw kinked hatchlings. I thought everyone knew that by now. RD just isn't afraid to show them to people. Having caramels with kinks is like having spiders with wobbles and cinnamons with duck faces. These mutations aren't just skin deep.

The person to beware of? The one who says their caramels never kink, and their spiders never wobble. I would be very wary of buying from a breeder making those claims.

I'm glad there is a new T+ line to work with, and because of that, I have no plans to ever acquire caramel albinos. I'll stick to Crider/Ultramels. I definitely see caramel albinos being 'phased out', and the mutation might even eventually be lost. Why continue to breed them when they have a clear and very serious defect, and there is an alternative with very similar features that will serve just as well in combos? Actually, I think the ultramels are even prettier.

I think the best way to show that you're breeding quality animals is to show people pictures of their parents. I've seen some butt-ugly 'lemon pastels', and some lines of morphs from some big name breeders really aren't impressive, even direct FROM those breeders. You really have to look at the individual animals, not the name behind them.

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

I do not know if Ralph has kinked Caramels, or if he infacts sells Kinked Caramels. I am talking about quality of snakes that are purchased for the sole purpose of breeding. If you buy a kinked caramel to use as a breeder, I think that is piss poor thinking, no matter what the price is. If you purchase a spider that ties itself in knots just because it is a few dollars less, to use as your breeder male, that is again, poor thinking and poor planning. I have seen and heard of people passing up a NICE Pastel to buy an ugly one, just to save $20.

Sure, price should be one of many considerations when buying a Ball, but if it is the only one, and you intend on starting a breeding program, I think you are going to be sorely dissapointed down the line.

Dave

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Agreed. But I don't see anyplace that the OP even hinted that she was shopping much less price shopping.

She queried, was answered, side tracked and then sort of attacked.

Like I said, lighten up. We ALL know what you would or would not do, but you're neither the standard nor the subject at hand.

Wes, I am not going to go back and forth with you, your first post towards me actually did not make much since at all, the whole boat analogy and all.

The original poster asked where someone saw a $125 Spider for sale. I think at that point, quality and quantity discussions are more than fair game.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Agreed. But I don't see anyplace that the OP even hinted that she was shopping much less price shopping.

She queried, was answered, side tracked and then sort of attacked.

Like I said, lighten up. We ALL know what you would or would not do, but you're neither the standard nor the subject at hand.

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bravo. thanks. :salute:

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

The original poster asked where someone saw a $125 Spider for sale. I think at that point, quality and quantity discussions are more than fair game.

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Because....they have absolutely nothing to do with the topic?

You've got good stuff dave, no doubt. But the way you express your views is just odd. How can you think asking about a price is an invitation to discussions about quality? While the 2 are related should an actual purchase be in the offing, for the purposes of this thread, you're out of line.

Wes, you are the one who has now, probably made this thread 2 pages longer than it should have been. This thread got off topic by post #7. I feel all of my posts have some relevence, if you do not, fine by me. I think alot of people would disagree with you, and your views towards my posts.

What have your posts added? Do you even have Balls?

Dave

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

Wes, you are the one who has now, probably made this thread 2 pages longer than it should have been. This thread got off topic by post #7. I feel all of my posts have some relevence, if you do not, fine by me. I think alot of people would disagree with you, and your views towards my posts.

What have your posts added? Do you even have Balls?

Dave

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For longer than you have though I'm not so quick to pull them out and show people just to prove I have them.

Oh, you meant pythons. Yes, a few for a while.

You still took it your own way, a way which was in no way the way this girl wanted.

Way to go.

Back on the price thing: I did sell a female spider for $200, this year, but she was a difficult starter who needed to be assisted twice before she would feed on her own. I wouldn't price such an animal at normal market prices. I feel the buyer is taking on the risk of a snake that might not continue to feed reliably, after all. She had a wobble as well, but it appeared to be diminishing by the time she sold.