Panda Pied Question

Ok, The panda pied is awesome to start off and when i saw one i was like :O. But i was just wondering what the genetics are. Do you have to go this way? cinny x cinny to get a super cinny, then take super cinny x pied to get cinny het pied, then breed those back together to get the panda pied? thats what i was told i was just wondering because i would LOVE to produce one in the future.

You correct, to a point. Basically you want a Super Cinnamon Piebald or a Super Black Pastel Piebald. The Black Pastel in super form is darker than the Cinnamon, so that is the Panda pied you know about. Both both combination's can make a black and white snake, until they are adults, then the Super cinnamon pied would be more of a brown.

ok thank you...i look forward to produce one in the future.

You don't need to get the super cinny/black pastel right at the beginning! You want to cross the black pastel to a pied to start off with, and get your black pastels het pied. Then cross a pair of black pastel het pieds for a 1 in 16 shot at the panda.

The solid black supers will pop out as "leftovers" in that 2nd breeding, with (on average) 3 out of 16 animals being super black pastel 66% het for pied.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

You don't need to get the super cinny/black pastel right at the beginning! You want to cross the black pastel to a pied to start off with, and get your black pastels het pied. Then cross a pair of black pastel het pieds for a 1 in 16 shot at the panda.

The solid black supers will pop out as "leftovers" in that 2nd breeding, with (on average) 3 out of 16 animals being super black pastel 66% het for pied.

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I don't think I would ever breed the first set of hets back to each other. I would hate having so many "possible" hets to prove out. Instead, if you take the first clutch of hets and breed it to a pied you'd get a 25% chance of pied hets, 25% black pastel/pied hets, 25% pieds, 25% black pastel/pieds. Nothing to prove out.

Then I'd take the black pastel/pieds and mate them back to each other for the 25% chance of panda pied. This takes another generation of breeding, but you'll have a lot more chances of success. Even if you only get 1 black pastel/pied from the 2nd clutch and have to mate it to a black pastel/het pied, you'd still get 12.5% chance of panda pied, and again... none of the babies are "possible" hets for anything.

I'm going to start this (and lightning/albino pieds) project once my babies are all grown up in a couple of years. It's like being a kid and waiting for Christmas! :D

I always thought the Panda Pied was only a Super Black Pastel Pied. I see how the super cinny would work just don't think it's been done this route.

There are many roads to the end goal of a panda pied.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

There are many roads to the end goal of a panda pied.

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Yep. If we can get our Pewter het Pied girls up to size this season, we'll even have a chance of producing one. The longer we sit on our Pewter Pied female, the more I want to keep her. She's growing like a weed right now. Tons of possibilities in the near future.

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Originally Posted by Reps4life

Ok, The panda pied is awesome to start off and when i saw one i was like :O. But i was just wondering what the genetics are. Do you have to go this way? cinny x cinny to get a super cinny, then take super cinny x pied to get cinny het pied, then breed those back together to get the panda pied? thats what i was told i was just wondering because i would LOVE to produce one in the future.

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With what's already been said, maybe you want to get more than one black pastels/cinnies to increase yous chances.

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Originally Posted by spitzu

I don't think I would ever breed the first set of hets back to each other. I would hate having so many "possible" hets to prove out. Instead, if you take the first clutch of hets and breed it to a pied you'd get a 25% chance of pied hets, 25% black pastel/pied hets, 25% pieds, 25% black pastel/pieds. Nothing to prove out. :D

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True...unless you know how to pick out the het pieds;)