Quote Originally Posted by infernalis View Post
Sorry if it seemed like I skipped out....

This has been a great conversation and educational.

One of my "wet dream" herping trips is to photograph some San frans on the ground... One day I hope to fulfill that.
One of the things about SF garters is that F&W doesn't seem to survey private lands in what they consider the historical range.

The lands between Highway 1 and Highway 35 and through the 84 and 92 corridors are mostly private, as are the lands that the Crystal Springs Pipeline runs across. A lot of this land is has not been adapted for agrarian use and is off limits to the general public.

I'm wondering what the change to the status of the SF garter would be if the USFWS surveyed the habitat in these areas.