Big snakes, small enclosures.

[tigerretic76]

understood, but i view it as it seems like a couple people here just trying to start stuff about a well known breeder, for some reason. it seems the people that are "bashing" brian are the ones that are saying that rack systems are not suitable quarters for housing snakes, and so on and so forth. and granted, i would admit, it wouldnt take much time to address these accusations, but this is exactly, to the tee, why the boi was created and exists. is post questions/inquiries/bad experiences/good experiences with breeders and also purchases. all i am saying, is i bet, more would be accomplished by posting there, where it is truly meant to be, than on a totally non-confrontational forum section. these forums, to my understanding are supposed to be utilized for people asking advice and posting pics and threads about their animals. where the boi is about inquiries and questionable breeder practices (if justified)

[CeraDigital]

The BOI, although a useful tool sometimes, has more or less lost its purpose. Not much would be gained there. Why take something such as this to another site for the same answer?

Most questions I have seen were legit questions asked about his husbandry. Mainly proper caging for the larger animals. With the rock pythons, I'll agree. The caging isn't too small. It is just right. I've kept and bred Rocks for quite a while. What most would like to see, that he has not answered, after numerous inquiries from respected and educated individuals is his monitor housing. Its a simple question to answer. It doesn't have to be a prime, professionally photographed picture. A simple snapshot of his monitor housing would do. After that, where do those questions go? They're simply answered, and thats that.

As for the feeding cages. Its simply not needed. Look at some of the most respected in monitor breeding and husbandry. How many of them would move a very large lizard to a smaller cage to feed? After that, you risk damaging the animal internally if it decides to retaliate, or it moves incorrectly being maneuvered. Anyone with the animals health in mind most, simply wouldn't do it. Not only the animal is at risk, but the individuals moving the animal take a huge risk too. It's not like moving a snake.

[Creeptastic]

Seriously..if I were Brian, I certainly would not be posting in a forum to justify myself. If someone had a problem, it would be okay for them to email or call. Writing on a forum is suicide in that case. Wouldnt solve a thing. As it has been said numerous times, he could say everything, take a picture, and you guys would still find something to argue about. Kinda like this thread, it would turn into a never ending cycle.

[rabernet]

It should mean something. Big or small, a breeder is a breeder. Their business is being questioned with a simple statement, by possible customers. It is their job as the business owners, to upkeep their reputation to those possible customers by simply answering their questions.

It would take 5 minutes out of his day to snap a picture of the monitor caging, resize it and post, or email to those inquiring. Why not show the actual cages on snake bites, vs their feeding cages? That would be a smart and simplistic business move. How about his staff? I'm sure they could do the same with this problem. All the questions would be put to rest by a simple 5 minutes out of their day.

Is that not what business is about? Not just producing quality animals, but what about customer care, both pre and post-purchase? "Forum drama" or not, the questions are still being asked... yet they still go unanswered...

I seriously doubt that Brian's reputation is being ruined over this little thread here on BP.net.

Brian is under no obligation to answer the nay-sayers in this thread. I don't believe a single one of them have even suggested that they were currently in or planned to be in a deal with Brian at the moment, so there's no customer to be satisfied.

This also isn't a BOI type thread either, because there's no "wronged" party here that was wronged by Brian in any type of business transaction. In fact, I don't recall anyone pointing fingers here as having ever done business with or even talked with the man.

This thread has no bearing on whether "I" will do business with Brian in the future (and I sure hope to) and I'd hazard a guess that it will not have any bearing on many other people here who have done or plan to do real business with Brian and not just Monday morning quarterback and critique him.

[CeraDigital]

I seriously doubt that Brian's reputation is being ruined over this little thread here on BP.net.

Brian is under no obligation to answer the nay-sayers in this thread. I don't believe a single one of them have even suggested that they were currently in or planned to be in a deal with Brian at the moment, so there's no customer to be satisfied.

This also isn't a BOI type thread either, because there's no "wronged" party here that was wronged by Brian in any type of business transaction. In fact, I don't recall anyone pointing fingers here as having ever done business with or even talked with the man.

This thread has no bearing on whether "I" will do business with Brian in the future (and I sure hope to) and I'd hazard a guess that it will not have any bearing on many other people here who have done or plan to do real business with Brian and not just Monday morning quarterback and critique him.

Look back on the kingsnake threads about his monitor caging, and on other forums. Those were possible customers wanting to buy from him, but refuse until they see caging. I would be also. Refusing to accept the fact that this could or could not damage reputation is simple ignorance. Be a groupie all you want, but simple thing is it shows customer service, pre-purchase.

[CeraDigital]

Seriously..if I were Brian, I certainly would not be posting in a forum to justify myself. If someone had a problem, it would be okay for them to email or call. Writing on a forum is suicide in that case. Wouldnt solve a thing. As it has been said numerous times, he could say everything, take a picture, and you guys would still find something to argue about. Kinda like this thread, it would turn into a never ending cycle.

Not many can argue against a picture, with proof of proper caging, don't you think?...

[wilomn]

Of course, if a guy actually WAS a good guy, was actually KNOWN for being a good guy, actually CARED what people thought about him, had a reputation, well deserved, for being HONEST, and that guy said, on the same short videos you're all blasting him for, that those were temporary, I don't guess any of you torch carriers would accept that.

Interesting how you'll pick the facts YOU want to use and totally disregard anything that may contradict YOUR opinions.

Do you find a flaw in your logic there?

Afterall, if you accept what he says as truth, even in a small part, would you not be best served by believing all he says? And if you believe him, if his word has always been good enough, why should he have to PROVE anything to any of you?

Basically some of you are calling his very integrity into question.

Heh.

Good thing I'm not Brian.

[AaronP]

Look back on the kingsnake threads about his monitor caging, and on other forums. Those were possible customers wanting to buy from him, but refuse until they see caging. I would be also. Refusing to accept the fact that this could or could not damage reputation is simple ignorance. Be a groupie all you want, but simple thing is it shows customer service, pre-purchase.

What you're referring to is Monitors though, this thread was mainly pertaining to the big snakes. How he takes care of his monitors would have no bearing on my decision because frankly I know jack about monitors so who am I to judge someone on a subject I know nothing about?

[rabernet]

Be a groupie all you want, but simple thing is it shows customer service, pre-purchase.

You can choose to demean my contribution to this topic by calling me a groupie if that makes you feel better.

Those who actually know me know that I am quite capable of making my own judgements about individuals, and am the furthest from a groupie that you can possibly be.

Whatever happened to the photo session you were so excited about at Brian's btw? His integrity didn't seem to be an issue to you then?

[CeraDigital]

Of course, if a guy actually WAS a good guy, was actually KNOWN for being a good guy, actually CARED what people thought about him, had a reputation, well deserved, for being HONEST, and that guy said, on the same short videos you're all blasting him for, that those were temporary, I don't guess any of you torch carriers would accept that.

Interesting how you'll pick the facts YOU want to use and totally disregard anything that may contradict YOUR opinions.

Do you find a flaw in your logic there?

Afterall, if you accept what he says as truth, even in a small part, would you not be best served by believing all he says? And if you believe him, if his word has always been good enough, why should he have to PROVE anything to any of you?

Basically some of you are calling his very integrity into question.

Heh.

Good thing I'm not Brian.

He openly posted through video his husbandry, publicly, on many forums. If something (which has been) spotted wrong, is called into question, it was his own doing. It leaves him open to questioning. If you're investing a good amount of money into animals, you want to know that the animals were kept in prime condition, do you not?

Why "should" he?...It is part of business. He opened himself up to questionability in his husbandry by posting those videos. I feel it is the right of the customer, or possible customer to ask those questions. They would be the ones investing their money, in Brians animals, correct?

While he is making the videos, how hard would it be to show a quick shot of a monitor cage? What makes this suspicious, and makes things questionable is if you look at any other educated monitor keeper, they do not feed outside of the animals cages. No "feeding" cages, no suspicions. Yet here is Brian with smaller than normal "feeding cages", in where the cage size grossly cramps those animals. Every time monitors are shown on his videos, they are only shown in those "feeding cages". Would that not raise any doubts or questions?...