Which morphs are stabalizing, which are dropping?

[southernboagurl]

I'm not a breeder yet and when I do it will be for the hobby not for a business. Unfortunately Dizzy, the prices are dropping for every morph out there. It may not be noticeable today or tomorrow for all morphs but give it 2-3 years when you'll want to be producing. I see a lot of people on here giving their opinions/answers and read each one of them. For me, it will be breeding quality animals for a hobby and experience and fun. Yeah, maybe I won't sell them and get my invested money back, but it's not going to be a business for me. I will not rely on it to feed my children and so forth. Everything in this world drops the price eventually. Especially when people invent something/produce a new morph, don't you see the items that were in it's place before that the prices have dropped? Things you can only buy at certain stores, but then when it's replaced with something newer, all the department/chain stores have them?? This is all just in my opinion, but pretty much the breeding game will be like anything else. There will be your small breeders who do it for the love of the hobby to produce pets/quality animals who won't care if they loose a buck here or there (and may even go big time), your small breeders who get into it thinking they're going to make a quick buck (and most of the time fail quickly or become what we call "flippers"), then you have your large breeders who can afford every single new morph that comes out or even can afford to import animals to produce new morphs. That's the way that I see it and now saying that, I want to start collecting to get my breeding collection going, but won't pay overpriced prices nor for poor quality animals. I will go straight to reputable breeders and pay that extra money if needed to know that I will be getting what I'm paying for and that the animals were taken care of before I buy them. Everyone has their own opinion, that's mine. Good luck with your future endeavors

[littleindiangirl]

How many people expect prices to be lower the new year?

I bet most of the folks here and online or at shows are guilty of it.

It's the commonality of this hobby and online forums across america, we expect prices to drop.

I say, don't drop the prices. They will come!

Proof you ask? What did they pay the year before? Yea, that's what I mean, they paid that much last year, why not pay it again this year.

Only you can prevent market drops.

[southernboagurl]

How many people expect prices to be lower the new year?

I bet most of the folks here and online or at shows are guilty of it.

It's the commonality of this hobby and online forums across america, we expect prices to drop.

I say, don't drop the prices. They will come!

Proof you ask? What did they pay the year before? Yea, that's what I mean, they paid that much last year, why not pay it again this year.

Only you can prevent market drops.

This is quite true. Unfortunately there will always be some breeder out there selling for less to make a buck and then some poor soul buying it and so on..

[Sloanreptiles]

Prices of morphs will change as more people produce them. For some people they need money so they sell it for to low a price, when it's seen by others they think that this is the price they should market theirs for. The absolute best way to keep prices steady is to talk to breeders about prices instead of asuming the price yourself.

Only you can prevent market drops.

Littleindiangirl is completely right. It will happen with any market such as coffee, the more produced, you would expect a lower price tag. If you sell it for what you want the price others may follow. Talk to other breeders before pricing so you make money and other breeders dont end up selling for less than they want.
Sloan Reptiles

[PythonWallace]

Prices of morphs will change as more people produce them. For some people they need money so they sell it for to low a price, when it's seen by others they think that this is the price they should market theirs for. The absolute best way to keep prices steady is to talk to breeders about prices instead of asuming the price yourself.
Littleindiangirl is completely right. It will happen with any market such as coffee, the more produced, you would expect a lower price tag. If you sell it for what you want the price others may follow. Talk to other breeders before pricing so you make money and other breeders dont end up selling for less than they want.
Sloan Reptiles

That's what I'm saying. The goal in most open markets is to keep prices as high as possible while still making sales. As the supply increases, the prices drop accordingly if demand doesn't increase. With ball pythons, for a lot of breeders, it seems like the goal is to drop the prices as low as needed to sell out in two weeks, and if they don't all sell for ridiculously cheap in those two weeks, have a "I'm hurting for money because I can't afford to feed all these snakes I produced sale". Then a ton of other small breeders see these ridiculous prices and automatically drop their prices to stay cheaper than the majority of others, because they underestimate the actual demand that exists, and it snowballs from there. Then, after all the prices have been unreasonably dropped to 20% of what they would be with a true supply and demand market, everyone and their moms are buying these "cheap" morphs to breed with their ugly $15 craigslist rescues, which actially does blow up the supply and completely crashes the market with mediocre looking morphs for $50-$100. Everyone forgets this important part of the equation when they mention how flooded the market is. The market is never flooded with a supply of snakes that stay up in price, because you don't have every person with $300 looking for a way to get rich in the breeding game actually spending the money these animals are really worth. It doesn't really bother me too much, as long as there are still people out there who can tell the difference between a breeder who breeds for quality and A+ customer service, and a guy who buys a bunch of the cheapest stock possible just to pop out as many snakes as possible and not care about service.

[TheReptileEnthusiast]

I recently sold jungle boas on KS for double the price others had them advertised for, and they sold before the cheap ones. Why? Mine looked way nicer. There will always be people willing to pay for quality. People find a way to buy what they want even in this economy. Yeah, prices naturally go down as morphs become more common, but please don't produce more animals than you can sell for the normal market price. Don't drop your prices drastically just to make a quick sale. If you produce nice animals, people will want them and they will sell. If you produce ugly ones, not so much.

[TheReptileEnthusiast]

I say, don't drop the prices. They will come!

Proof you ask? What did they pay the year before? Yea, that's what I mean, they paid that much last year, why not pay it again this year.

Only you can prevent market drops.

Dead on. Well said.

[PythonWallace]

I recently sold jungle boas on KS for double the price others had them advertised for, and they sold before the cheap ones. Why? Mine looked way nicer. There will always be people willing to pay for quality. People find a way to buy what they want even in this economy. Yeah, prices naturally go down as morphs become more common, but please don't produce more animals than you can sell for the normal market price. Don't drop your prices drastically just to make a quick sale. If you produce nice animals, people will want them and they will sell. If you produce ugly ones, not so much.

Right on. I recently bought a 1000g normal for $200 plus shipping because It will throw some killer mojaves for me in a year, if any of her pattern or color carries over. I could have got 2 or 3 cbb females of that size for around that price, and used them to hatch out 2-3x more mediocre mojaves to dump into the market, but she was a gorgeous snake so I was happy to pay more for her. I also paid $400 for my male pastel when they were going for about $200-$250, because he was a smoking example of a pastel. It was $400 because it was a package deal with a 2100g female. I didn't care for the female's color or pattern so I brought her to the local reptile show and gave her away to a mother and son who were about to buy a w.c adult. The list goes on, and the rewards are the killer hatchlings that they produce. It's all about quality.