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    Re: Trip to MN to see Bruce Delles!

    I agree. A formal name change should really go through the originator.

    The way it was relayed to me by Bruce was how he and others who produced "special" offspring were referring to the "specials" to each other. I am probably most to blame here by referring to them how he did which was not a public name change but merely how he started referring to them to make sense to him and a couple others. I had assumed that the "others" included Tom but probably should have asked first. My apologies.

    But for what it's worth to me it did seem to help me understand the genetics so I mistakenly thought it was suppose to be public.

    I could see how it came about as well. With Crystal being a Mojave x Special kind of like a Bumblebee is a Pastel x Spider

    The combo naming of Crystal Lesser at first made me think that it's a Lesser x Mojave x Special.....but in reality it's a Lesser x Special? I had thought it was just like if someone had a Lesser Bumblebee and it was actually Lesser x Spider.

    Calling the specials, crystals instead, and using the "Mojave Crystal" for the Crystal makes the "formula" work for the Lesser Crystal for those not in the know. So I could see how this jump could be made to keep the other names inline.

    I do think it's possible that after awhile when people start producing more and more Crystal combos with BEL complexes and probably will have to start saying what's in them just like the Lucies.

    "I made a Crystal this year"
    "What kind of Crystal"
    "A Mojave Crystal"

    Similarly the Super Crystal is believed to be a Special x Special? Or is it still up for debate if it's a Super Mojave Super Special?

    I know I was under the impression that the special and BEL complexes are on the same allele? So a super mojave super special is akin to a super mojave super lesser. It can't be done?

    If that's the case I know I was confused when the Super Crystal came out and I kept calling it a Super Special.....thinking it was Special x Special.

    Again, I could see how the name change of the Special to Crystal makes the "Super Crystal" naming convention easier to understand if genetically it's a special x special.

    So I could see where someone working with this morph might start referring things differently or however made sense to them. BUT, of course, should go through the originator for any formal name changes. I know I would want to be in the loop about changing the name of anything I had originated.

    Hopefully, for the people VERY interested in this project, some light can be shed on what's what and how we can produce some of these awesome animals and what we should formally call them. I will call them whatever is decided but more importantly how can I make them!

    Hope that was helpful and appropriate.

    Thanks for starting an awesome morph Tom!
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