Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry

[Jyson]

PS -- And anyone doubting the possibilities of more than three genes (or four at the most) ever working out in ball pythons...or that there wouldn't be some neat surprises by making something beyond the common combos should take a close look at NERD's collection.

Just to add to that, there are already some Quad combos out there. EX: Wannabee pin = Woma, Spider, Pastel, Pinstripe. And just imagine what the inferno consists of.

[dr del]

Hi,

Dr Del,

Yes you are correct, this is what I tried to convey with the "or" in my above post. You could hold your animals back and prove them by breeding OR arrange your breedings so that all outcomes are known/easily identifiable.

Sorry if my post was confusing.

JonV

No, your post was fine - I'm just an idiot.


dr del

[nixer]

Now any other combination containing both fire and pastel on both sides would have to be presented similarly to poss hits untill the breeding results were statistically large enough to make a reasonably safe guess.

So breeding two fireflys together will give you snakes that can be visually identified and (hopefully) some white snakes.

Those Black Els should be 66% possible for carrying some variant of the pastel gene with 33% of those that do being possible homozygous pastels.

So how would you list those for sale as unproven hatchlings etc?

BlackEls 66% poss het pastel 25% poss Homo pastel?

which was why i said it would have to be 2 super pastel fires bred together before you could say 100% it had pastel in it.
super pastel fire pairings
all of the babies should be super pastels and if you had a white snake in there it should also be super pastel also.
correct?

either way it would be a hard sell, but it would be a nice thing from a breeders standpoint because every snake would be a firefly if crossed with a normal

[brainman1000]

this could never work because if you mixed any of the white snake genes you wouldnt know what you had unless your bred it. since it would wipe out the pattern and color.

plus it would take longer to breed them than the life cycles of the animals. and the changes would be so low that some ppl have taken more than 7 years to get a double recessive so tripple or quad recessive could take more than 20 years itself. not to mention that it would take more than 1 or 2 animals per morph.

Another good point.

I totally understand what the OP was getting at, but what wasn't taken into account was the ability to identify all of the different genes in an animal.

[nixer]

ok im off to take a handful of asprin

[hoax]

I'm not entirely convinced that you can get that many combinations. One thing the equation assumes is that you can get 10 or 15 or more genes into one snake. I think that once you get to a certain number of genes the probability of a snake being produced with that many genes drops to a number so low that it is statistically impossible.

So, the question is, how many genes can you reasonably get into one snake?

It has nothing to do with reasonableness....

It is a what if, situation not hey guys look what I am going to do....

Mike

[nevohraalnavnoj]

This topic makes me think to hard and hurts my head.

It's the struggle that counts!

JonV

[nevohraalnavnoj]

Another good point.

I totally understand what the OP was getting at, but what wasn't taken into account was the ability to identify all of the different genes in an animal.

Agreed!

JonV

[brainman1000]

There is actually a more effective equation to use that I learned in statistics years ago. The basic concept is taking a sample and figuring out the number of combinations of a given set out of that selection. The example was how many different poker hands are possible with a single deck of cards. The sample there is 52 unique cards and a 5 card set.

[brainman1000]

It has nothing to do with reasonableness....

It is a what if, situation not hey guys look what I am going to do....

Mike

Hypothetically speaking anything is possible. The problem with that is that the odds of certain things happening are so low that they are practically impossible. It would be nice to get a snake that has 15 different base morph genes in it, but I really dont think it is realistically possible to achieve that.

Now, if you are talking about the OP, reasonableness is not a factor. If you look at the subject, then reasonableness is key.