My breeding season

[akaangela]

I am so excited my BIG girl (poss het albino) was paired with 3 different males. An Albino, and het albino and a Pastel. SO HOPEFULLY I will get some albino's and pastels out of her this year I sure can't wait. She was examined today and she has some LARGE folicules. So maybe soon I will get babies from her. We felt about 7 eggs in her (that is what she had last year).

My second girl (also poss het albino) was paired with 2 males. A het albino and a Mojave. I sure hope I get some nice Mojaves out of the clutch. She was also inspected and she has some very small (marble size) folicules. I would be SO ecstatic if I got some albinos or even a couple Mojaves out of her.

Lastly I have a smaller girl (about 1200g's) I threw my little pastel male (about 500g's) in with her. I figured he was to small and doubted very much that they would lock but I have seen them lock TWICE I am so excited she might give me a few pastel babies.

That is my entire breeding season. Next year I will have 5 MAYBE 6 females ready to breed.

The next year will be my biggest female to my pastel. They should give me so beautiful pastels.
2nd girl will be bred to my friends Mojave
3rd girl will be bred to my pastel.
4th girl most likely will also be bred to a Mojave or maybe if I can find a cinnamon to breed her to.
5th girl is my pastel. She has a date with my pastel male. Hoping for some SUPER pastels
6th girl is a mojave (a big maybe she will be ready to breed) will be bred to either another Mojave or my Pastel.

Next year is going to be REAL exciting. But truth to be told. I am hoping to trade at leasst one baby (or two) for an albino. I SO want an albino

[snakelady]

How exciting. My girl is refusing my male now but I haven't seen any folicles. Not exactly sure I know what to look for.

[Bruce Whitehead]

Congrats. Fingers crossed for some nice clutches.



Next year sounds like it will be killer as well.

Bruce

[akaangela]

I had to have someone show me hands on (today)how to feel the folicules. I was always doing it wrong. I am still not sure if I am doing it right. The girl I have at home now I don't know if she has any (but I THINK I felt one). She is a small female and if I get any eggs out of her I will be SO excited.



I have seen them lock twice but this is one of the very few snake sex photos I have gotten this year

[granny farbuckle]

I am probably going to make myself unpopular here, but, you have used both reccessive and co-dom males on the same female. When the hoped for eggs hatch and a couple of the babies look normal, how will you know if they are in fact het for the reccessive gene, or really just normal ?

Using an Albino and a het Albino male could also throw up problems = are the normal looking babies het or not ?

If you had used just the Albino male then at least you would have known for sure that any eggs were 100% het for Albino, if not visual Albino.

[Jerhart]

I am probably going to make myself unpopular here, but, you have used both reccessive and co-dom males on the same female. When the hoped for eggs hatch and a couple of the babies look normal, how will you know if they are in fact het for the reccessive gene, or really just normal ?

Using an Albino and a het Albino male could also throw up problems = are the normal looking babies het or not ?

If you had used just the Albino male then at least you would have known for sure that any eggs were 100% het for Albino, if not visual Albino.

...if an Albino is hatched....label the normals as possible hets.

[granny farbuckle]

It is possible to get a split clutch where two of the males each fertilise some of the eggs. Mabe the Albino fertilises some and one of the other fertilises some of the others - how would you know ? To sell normal looking babies as poss hets would not be fair to the buyers.

[Jerhart]

It is possible to get a split clutch where two of the males each fertilise some of the eggs. Mabe the Albino fertilises some and one of the other fertilises some of the others - how would you know ? To sell normal looking babies as poss hets would not be fair to the buyers.

....that's why they are sold as possible hets.

[granny farbuckle]

To my way of thinking a possible het is obtained by breeding a normal to a het, thereby producing poss hets. If the father is not a het for the particular morph then it is NOT possible to be het. ( just restating that which I realise you know anyway ) The only way that I would be happy to buy a possible het in these multi-male circumstances would be if the baby snake were priced as a normal and the circumstances were explained.

If two of the males fertilised some of the eggs, and someone bought a baby as a poss het without understanding the background, then they could waste several years breeding their poss het for no purpose. At least if it were from a het father they would truly have a chance of it being het.

[Jerhart]

To my way of thinking a possible het is obtained by breeding a normal to a het, thereby producing poss hets. If the father is not a het for the particular morph then it is NOT possible to be het. ( just restating that which I realise you know anyway ) The only way that I would be happy to buy a possible het in these multi-male circumstances would be if the baby snake were priced as a normal and the circumstances were explained.

If two of the males fertilised some of the eggs, and someone bought a baby as a poss het without understanding the background, then they could waste several years breeding their poss het for no purpose. At least if it were from a het father they would truly have a chance of it being het.

An individual can spend several years breeding a 'possible het' from the way you explained, possible het X Normal, and not result in anything. I see what you are trying to say....and I would agree if you are labeling them as definite hets....but when you tag them with 'possible' a buyer may ask you whether they are 50% or 66.66% possible hets, this is where you explain the background of the animals.

If you hatch an albino in a clutch from multiple sires...even if one is codom...there is a POSSIBILITY that those normal carry the amelanistic trait too.

....by dropping the 'possible' as you are saying....you are saying there is NO chance that those could be het...even if you hatch an albino? Am I correct?