Thanx so much ZinniaZ. Do you live in Maine? i used t be a member of the herp society but i was never able to go to meetings, because even though i am in maine i live nearly 2 hours away from were they meet. I have actually volunteered at nerd twice and i want to go more often, but i can never get a ride. and recently school has been a lot of work so it hasn't been very convenient to get down there. I am always trying to meet new people into herps, infact my high school advisors husband is a herpetologist, but i dont think that she is that into them. thanx for the help, i will defiantly get back into the herp society too.