Piebald Thoughts?

[Gloryhound]

I think one of the things that also help piebalds and clowns compared to ghosts and axanthics are the single line. You get a pied or clown and that is what you get. With axanthics you get VPI, Joliff, SK, nerd... With ghost/hypos you can get green, yellow, orange, Nerd line orange... Since each of the lines get generally thrown into one group it brings the group price down. The one exception I have sort of kinda seen is the VPI Axanthic it seems to be maintaining a selling value better than the other lines.

[AaronP]

Oh, I understand the basic math... But when you consider the intial cost, the waiting period, and the diving prices of morphs lately, it really isn't that simple of a decision! This time last year it was a no-brainer to buy a female albino for $1100!

That's the risk you take though. I know someone who bought a clown when they were $25K, and he hasn't remotely broken even with it. But that said a lot of other morphs he bought he has.

[klonedskillz]

would just like to say i have been watching peid's since they where $20,000,
and now there are at $1,500-2,000, now im not a rich person nore do i make alot of money, but that is a very fare price for them in my mind i have a fund set up just to buy a pair this summer, i have been saveing for about a year now, and of course its way to could to shipp to michigan right now,

so i will wait till summer,,,

im just saying for use poorer people, If you want one just set a buget who care's if it take a year to get all the money its a hole lot better then just decideing one day hey lets spend our rent and some other bill money to go get a pied, and alot of breeders will even let you set up a payment plan right threw them if you wanted to go that rought

[rjk890]

Breeders have been working on Pied combo's. Either breeding Pieds to Albino's, Axanthics, Ghost, etc... and producing Double Hets. Otherwise breeding their Pieds to Pastels, Mojo's, Spiders, etc...Making Pastel het Pieds, Mojo het Pieds, Spider het Pieds etc... and not necessarily producing Pieds.

As the Pastel het Pieds, and other female Morph het Pieds begin to reach breeding size, and are bred to Pied males in order to produce Pastel Pieds, Mojo Pieds, Spieds, etc... regular Pieds will be the by product. Just as Pastels and Spiders are the by product of Bees.

For example, a breeder working with Albino Spiders has male Albino Spider's and breeds them to every Albino, and het Albino they can in order to produce as many Albino Spiders as possible.
Albino's and Spider het Albino's are the by products, and will be produced at a higher rate than the Albino Spiders.

When that happens the base Morph is going to have a higher supply than the demand for them, and the price will drop.
With so many breeders working on making the many possible Pied combo's it won't be long before a regular Pied is $500. - $800.
Some people who were crying that others were "killing the market" when they priced 08' Pieds at $1200. this time last year are now dropping the price of the 08's they could not sell to that same price range and they are juvies now, not hatchlings.
What do you think hatchlings will be going for this May/June?

[mechnut450]

i purcashed a pair of hets ( from 2 different breeders) .last summer ( 2007) I am hoping to breed them this coming fall. ( the females is already 1000 grams) I will be keeping the first male and possible female t obreed back to the parents when they are of age. to have better chance at more pieds. but I also am not ognigot be charging the arm andleg price for them. even if it gets people mad at me lol.. I do it for the joy of the experience and not the profit part. I am on disablity and it took me almost 2 years to get the fund together and squirreled awaay as my grandmother called it ot getthe hets. I got lucky on both causes cause the person(s) in question cut me a deal. I also managed to aquire a better way to fund my reptile love with some work during the summer for exercise and I happen to turn a buck. THat allowed me to aquire a ablino male and a set of het axanthics. this was also made easier wit hfriend help cause he started to drive a rig for a living and was paying me to watch the snakes . Now with the reptile rescues I am doing I get plenty of calls and sometime offerdo for supplies to help easy my growing love. I now need a loving partner and a larger place to live since I have turned a 3rd bedroom nito a reptile room lol..

[Brandon Osborne]

Well, somebody needs to have a freaking sale so us normal people can afford one.

Buy hets and produce one. That's what I did....and my hets were $4k pair in 2003. My first breeding produced 4 pieds and 5 pos. hets. My second breeding produced 4 more pieds and 4 more pos. hets. Now I'm producing Pewters het for pied, pastels het pied, and more. Het pairs can be found now for around $500, and maybe less. Save your pennies and get some. You'll appreciate them more.

[Brandon Osborne]

Breeders have been working on Pied combo's. Either breeding Pieds to Albino's, Axanthics, Ghost, etc... and producing Double Hets. Otherwise breeding their Pieds to Pastels, Mojo's, Spiders, etc...Making Pastel het Pieds, Mojo het Pieds, Spider het Pieds etc... and not necessarily producing Pieds.

As the Pastel het Pieds, and other female Morph het Pieds begin to reach breeding size, and are bred to Pied males in order to produce Pastel Pieds, Mojo Pieds, Spieds, etc... regular Pieds will be the by product. Just as Pastels and Spiders are the by product of Bees.

For example, a breeder working with Albino Spiders has male Albino Spider's and breeds them to every Albino, and het Albino they can in order to produce as many Albino Spiders as possible.
Albino's and Spider het Albino's are the by products, and will be produced at a higher rate than the Albino Spiders.

When that happens the base Morph is going to have a higher supply than the demand for them, and the price will drop.
With so many breeders working on making the many possible Pied combo's it won't be long before a regular Pied is $500. - $800.
Some people who were crying that others were "killing the market" when they priced 08' Pieds at $1200. this time last year are now dropping the price of the 08's they could not sell to that same price range and they are juvies now, not hatchlings.
What do you think hatchlings will be going for this May/June?

Do you have pieds?

[Brandon Osborne]

Not necessarily true, Pieds and het pieds generally aren't the best eaters. Slow eating girls = slow production.

Says who? Mine all eat great. My original female het is around 4000-4500 grams. My pieds are 2000+. My yearling pastel het pieds are 1200-1300. My problem feeders have always been pastels.....friends have said the same.

[Texas Dan]

You know, if someone wants to sell me a pied for say.. $100, i'd do it tomorrow.

[mechnut450]

hets are he best specially if they are from a proven breeder . I find out next year if the 2 snakes i got from different breeder prove out and man watch out then lol. I will need otget a reptile shippnig apprved I guess.