This is how Vick makes it back to the NFL

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& how did you arrive at that conclusion? That was absolutely not what I wrote. I would like crimes against animals to be recognized with more importance than they are now (which is with very little importance). I'm not sure how this thread became an argument about how the punishment does/does not fit the crime when the OP posted about how Vick is able to make it back into the NFL after what he did. It has nothing to do with the law. It has to do with how some members of society seem to think it is so important for this man to play football that they can forget how he made these animals suffer.

Ok, my bad I assumed that was exactly what you were saying because of what you quoted.

According to the law, and society in general, dog fighting is much much less of a crime than murder, or even selling drugs. It's understandable because of that, he is not equatable to murderers and hardened criminals. That's just how it is in the books, and how most people view it. Animal lovers are a special breed who give more care to furry, scaly, and slimy friends. However, they are a minority of the population.. Take this as you will.

I will repeat this again, I am not arguing about the law. But about society's perception of animal abuse.

Unfortunatly, you are unable to argue one without arguing the other. Guess where our laws come from? Society's perception of the crime.

I am an animal lover, that much is apparent with the variable zoo in my home. But I also understand that animals, most animals, including dogs, are not sapient creatures, so crimes against them are lesser than most any crime against a human. You are still saying that he is getting off easier, but that has been shown to be blatently false. Both in criminal proceedings, and in the terms of money.

Once he has done his time. He is free to do everything in his power (minus the new stipulations placed on him) to achieve the American dream. And I will support that because he has repaid his debt.

These so called 'animal rights' also vary from state to state as well. I'm ashamed to say it, but we still have puppy mills, and Oklahoma statistically has the highest amount of puppy mills in the united states. It is my opinion that we have THE WORST animal rights laws in the States. I know of an exotic zoo here that houses tropical birds and reptiles in an indoor barn that has no heat or air conditioning. This is a HUGE building, so these tropical birds are all but freezing to death. But the owner is not punished because he provides food, water, and shelter (the barn) from the elements. No where in our state laws state that he has to provide additional heating... The same thing goes with his reptiles. Apparently some animals have more rights than others in the good ol U.S. of A.

I am sorry, it is called states rights, it is one reason we fought for our independance. Like I said above, society writes laws, because states have the right to write their own laws (more or less), it is the society in that state that is to blame. Don't like the laws in your state? Use your purchasing and voting power to change them.


And just for the record.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...477#post940477
Dated 12-20-2008, 08:58AM

I have not been able to watch football without getting angry at what it has turned into in years. But it used to be Green Bay. Same with baseball. Used to love watching both of them. I just can't do it anymore. Not a slight against anyone that does enjoy it, just my opinion.

Now the only sport I really watch is Rugby. But even that is seldom because they really don't broadcast much of it here in NC.