spider problems

[camb]

so im thinking about getting a male spider ball python for my female pastel. but i was wondering if some one could explain "wobble" to me. how common is it? how badly does it affect the snake? what does it do exactly?

thanx

[RichardA]

I have not really seen many in person with it. My male at this point does not do it. Some say it happens more as they age, I am not sure on that.

Doesnt really effect the snake much as far as feeding and such from what I have heard, and a guy here local says with or without the wobble doesnt mean the babies will or wont have it.

Hope this helps some. Maybe Adam or Tim or someone can jump in here and get more detailed on this.

[Adam_Wysocki]

I wrote about my views on spiders in my blog almost two years ago ...

http://forum.8ballpythons.com/blog/?p=5

Those are only my opinions, nothing more ... and we all know what opinions are like.

Hope this helps and good luck with whichever path you take.

-adam

[Royal Morphz]

good write up Adam. Now go post more youtube vids i need my youtube fix lol have a good turkey day

[Hapa_Haole]

Since all spiders show some signs of spinning (going off of 8ballpython's blog here) is it ethical to keep producing them? A snake that constantly spins in circles probably isn't 100% right in the head.

Do the more intense spinners feed well, poop well, etc. etc.?

I'm not saying its not ethical, I just wanted to hear some thoughts on it.

And I know people love doing animal to animal comparison's so here one is...If a breed of dog showed the same behavior wouldn't people react more negatively to it? I know if both of my dogs started spinning 24/7 I'd be extremely worried about their well being and I certainly wouldn't breed them knowing that their offspring would show similar traits. But then again pure bred goldens are prone to hip problems, bull dogs end up slowly suffocating themselves to death, etc. etc. So...thoughts?

[Slim]

Actually, I've heard that Spiders are great eaters wither they spin a lot or a little.

[boachick]

what exactly happened that STARTED showing the wobbling or spinning, how did this defect pop up in the first place? was it from loads of inbreeding or what?

to me its a defect that is not normal....its a shame cause i think spiders are BEAUTIFUL and i would love to have one

[simplechamp]

Since all spiders show some signs of spinning (going off of 8ballpython's blog here) is it ethical to keep producing them? A snake that constantly spins in circles probably isn't 100% right in the head.

Well, on one hand people are knowingly producing animals with a genetic defect, but on the other hand they still seem to live normal lives as far as eating, breeding, shedding, etc. Based on the ads on KS and Fauna it doesn't seem like too many people have a problem with producing them. I don't think I'd buy one myself even though I would really like to have a bumblebee. Probably just get a pastel woma instead.

[boachick]

are spiders able to live as long as the other morphs or normals without any major illnesses or physical probs?

[Slim]

what exactly happened that STARTED showing the wobbling or spinning, how did this defect pop up in the first place?

As I understand it, the first spider wobbled, and each one produced since has had a case of the spins. If I'm wrong on that, someone correct me.