Let's See Your Dinker Projects!

[PythonWallace]

These won't be ready to breed for a while, but this is a pair I got from LGL here. The mom was a C.H. and had the same yellow side stripe, granite speckling and wide white bands as these. I'm going to breed the male to a normal next year, then breed the female to a YB and her brother in 2010. I'm hoping it's genetic and hoping to see a super or YB combo with some cool striping.





They shed similarly to yellow bellies

[RandyRemington]

I bought this girl in 2003 as a nearly 700 gram reported import so don't know what she hatched out looking like or if she suddenly changed color like others that have failed to prove:



As she got close to breeding size she suddenly became a picky mouse eater. I sent her out on a prearranged breeding loan where probably due to her picky eating she failed to produce for several years. In 2007 I got her back and sent her out on another loan where again she didn't produce. This fall I am going to finally try. She seems to be eating better and also I now have ASF's so maybe this will be her year.

She stopped shedding clear and became both more dark and more yellow as she grew (mostly back in 2003) and here is what she looks like now:



With all the changers that have failed to prove over the years I’m not holding out tons of hope on this girl but would very much like to get some babies to find out one way or the other.

I’ve got several other dinker projects including one that has actually proven so I’ll try to get some better pictures and add those to this thread later.

[janeothejungle]

One of my Dinker girls....





Next to one of my Norms.




Cheers,
Kat

[Beardedragon]

what about that little lesser you got kat?

[janeothejungle]

Bite your tongue, boy.


Cheers,
Kat

[Icatsme]

Looks like some really cool projects going on! Thank you for sharing!

[RandyRemington]

Here is a girl I picked up at a pet store in 2001 and one of her 2007 and 2008 daughters. None of them wanted to sit still and while this picture is horrible at least it shows the true colors of the youngsters. Mom is prettier than shows up here but not as nice as either of her daughters.

After years of both of us trying Daniel Garcia first got this girl to produce on a breeding loan in 2007 proving her broad pattern and dark glossy look genetic when about half the babies came out looking like her so I'm calling the morph Garcia. In 2008 on another breeding loan Marshall Van Thorre produced the combo with Mojave like the smaller girl shown here.

[SnakeDoc]

Here is a girl I picked up at a pet store in 2001 and one of her 2007 and 2008 daughters. None of them wanted to sit still and while this picture is horrible at least it shows the true colors of the youngsters. Mom is prettier than shows up here but not as nice as either of her daughters.

After years of both of us trying Daniel Garcia first got this girl to produce on a breeding loan in 2007 proving her broad pattern and dark glossy look genetic when about half the babies came out looking like her so I'm calling the morph Garcia. In 2008 on another breeding loan Marshall Van Thorre produced the combo with Mojave like the smaller girl shown here.

Randy, that 08 baby looks a lot like Ralph Davis's Phantom or Super Phantom. Maybe the 01 female is a Phantom! Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Phantom the same as a Mojave and what Ralph calls a Goblin is what we call a Yellow belly? Just my thoughts.

Jay

[RandyRemington]

Thanks for the input Jay.

I think goblin and yellow belly are the same snake but while related the phantom seems to have some valuable distinct properties from mojave. The homozygous mojave is a mostly white snake with a little dark color on the head while the homozygous phantom is a fairly dark snake. Interestingly before the homozygous versions of either where known there was a brief time when both RDR and TSK thought that maybe the phantom was a mojave but it now looks like they are two distinct different mutations of the same gene (along with several others including lesser/butter, Vin Russo, the hidden that turns a lesser into a platy, and the special that turns mojave into crystal).

I had originally hoped that the young Garcia adult female I found at the pet store in 2001 was something in the white snake allele complex and perhaps even a phantom but this year when the combo snake with mojave wasn't white I decided Garcia probably isn’t related to the lesser complex. The lesser + phantom is a white snake (karma). While I don't think anyone has made the mojave + phantom yet (hardly anyone has phantoms) I expect it to be mostly white but I guess we will know when someone does cross mojave and phantom when phantoms eventually (might be a while) become more common.

Some have pointed out that the Garcia's look like one or both lines of chocolate. I can see the similarity and they might turn out to be the same but from what I've been able to gather the belly of the original female isn't quite right. I finally did get a son from her this year but I don't know if he has the Garcia gene. He is a mojave and not as obviously the combo as his nice high pattern brown sided sister mojave Garcia in this picture. I just put him in with his first female tonight to see if he is ready to breed yet or not so with a lot of luck maybe I’ll be able to figure out if he is just mojave or mojave Garcia based on his offspring.

[JenH]

I hatched this girl out last summer - she looks normal but something is a bit different with her. She is very dark with a lot of yellow/orange and has a really cool "V" pattern on her belly. She is also mean as hell and holds the record for the most bites.





I bought her sire as a ch black pastel (?) but I'm beginning to think he may be something else?