Are these males cinnamon or normal?

[Vacado]

A member of my "home forum" (who isn't into ball pythons) was trying to sell 2.0 cinnamons, about 1.5 years old or so and around 3' long each. He bought them from a guy at a show, who'd gotten them from another guy, and they were labeled as "het for cinnamon." This was a red flag to me, because cinnamons are the heterozygous form, so if someone was calling them "het for cinnamon" it probably meant they were the normals produced in a cinny x cinny clutch and the guy just didn't understand codominance. Still, he was going to cut me a great friend deal so I asked for photos. Now I'm pretty sure they are just normals, but I figured before I made him change his ad that I would double-check with the people on the internet who are most likely to know what these guys are!

Here is the first male:







And the second male:








So, what do you guys think? They definitely do not look like Graziani cinnamons, but the NERD cinnamons look like normals to me so I guess I can't say for sure.

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[Muze]

Hmmm...just look like normals. Pretty ones, though. I believe the Sticky for The Hunter's Guide to The Morphs explains what to look for in a Cinny.

[Gooseman]

Those are normals.

[nelson77321]

they are just normals

one of those has got a really nice black back. but other than that. nowhere near a cinny, the alien head sides on a cinny is a dead givaway

[OhBalls]

Pretty normals. The pic with the BP's head leaning on the tub is soooo cute!

Nice snakes

[blackcrystal22]

Normals. :]

[LadyOhh]

Normals

[Vacado]

Thanks everyone! I feel much better now telling this guy he's confused about what he has

I agree, I really like the first male, but I can't see paying to ship a normal male.

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[wolfy-hound]

Adding in my $0.02
Normals. Although #2 is an extra pretty normal.

[starmom]

And the second male:



So, what do you guys think?

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*That* is the elusive bodiless ball python....