I don't have either, but there was a reptile expo this past weekend and I saw a super pastel for $800 and a really cool looking spider for $300. I got both the breeder's cards, and I'm thinking about getting them at the next show, next year. Hopefully those same type of BPs will be there! The guy with the Super Pastel had Bumblebees as well for $900, I just thought I'd get the Spider and Super Pastel - make at least one Bumblebee to keep. Then I want an Albino and I think I'm set =)