I'm stumped

[rabernet]

So, Pretzel will be up to size this year, after raising her for 2+ years.

But I'm stumped with what to run through her

The possible options are: Lemon Pastel, Mojave, Yellowbelly, Jolliff Tiger and "maybe" a Spider if he gets up to weight in time (but the spider is a big if for being ready).

She's nice and dark, and wonderful black back. I've been leaning more towards Mojave and Jolliff Tiger, because I'm worried that with her being so dark, that she'd "dull" out the Lemon Pastel.

She'd be perfect for an albino project, but I don't have any albino's or even het albino's.



What would YOU do?

[Beardedragon]

Id plug her into my lesser


Seriously, i think she might look good with a mojo

[Emilio]

I'd breed her to your Spider, I like lighter girls for pastels and mojos. I'm going to breed my lesser to three very different girls and can't wait to the see the difference, My first girl is a dark normal my second one is almost axanthic like, and my third is a blackback with so much yellow its unreal. As always good luck with either route Robin.

[Gloryhound]

Since everything you are talking about is a co-dom or dom trait cycle them all through her. Its not like if you get a mojave you won't know who the father is! Also you will not be wondering if any normals are carriers of any traits. (Let me state I am not sure about the Joliff Tiger, but I believe it is a dom.) Also our biggest problem is getting the boys going. Right now we have our biggest girl paired up with a double morph that is genetic dark morph and co-dom banded. He is a proven breeder and they locked up within the first 3 hours and have now beein locked for 24 hours. The other one we are trying is our Graziani pastel male who is also het for Albino with another of our big girls. He has the idea, but just can not seem to get his tail under her. He has his body sideways and it looks like he is trying to push it under, but no luck during the first 24 hours. The last pair or should I say trio we are trying is a Male cinny with our proven female, nothing appears to be going on here other than her laying on top of him. We are going to rotate her with the cinny and our mojave and hope one or both of the guys do something. We figure if we get mojo babies we know who the father is. If we get cinny babies we know who the father is. If we get normals who cares who the father is cause they are still normal!

[Freakie_frog]

Since everything you are talking about is a co-dom or dom trait cycle them all through her. Its not like if you get a mojave you won't know who the father is! Also you will not be wondering if any normals are carriers of any traits. (Let me state I am not sure about the Joliff Tiger, but I believe it is a dom.) Also our biggest problem is getting the boys going. Right now we have our biggest girl paired up with a double morph that is genetic dark morph and co-dom banded. He is a proven breeder and they locked up within the first 3 hours and have now beein locked for 24 hours. The other one we are trying is our Graziani pastel male who is also het for Albino with another of our big girls. He has the idea, but just can not seem to get his tail under her. He has his body sideways and it looks like he is trying to push it under, but no luck during the first 24 hours. The last pair or should I say trio we are trying is a Male cinny with our proven female, nothing appears to be going on here other than her laying on top of him. We are going to rotate her with the cinny and our mojave and hope one or both of the guys do something. We figure if we get mojo babies we know who the father is. If we get cinny babies we know who the father is. If we get normals who cares who the father is cause they are still normal!

You know I'm not a big fan of this method for one major reason.

First Robin I think a Tiger or Winston would be hot!, Now I think we have starting see some lower quality offspring because people that are just getting started are not paying as much attention to how the pair could possibly complement or work against each other as they could. I feel like people are just in such a hurry to produce anything that the over look the part that is the most fun. Just throwing two animals together and hope the offspring look good isn't my idea of selective breeding. However finding animals that have traits that would compliment each other and pairing them up is to me a better way to go about it. If its no big deal what the offspring look like so be it, but I for one want to produce the best offspring I can so I look for animals that will complement each other. Selective breeding is the future and of this market when pastel are 125.00 across the board the way to stand out isn't by lowering prices its by producing the best quality animals you can. Look at Albey, His Mojaves are second to none, Adam produces the best Cinni's I've ever seen, Tim with his Hypos and Axanthics.
These are people we need to take example from.

Just my two cents.

[travisjara]

I would breed her to the yellowbelly out of your choices. You cant have enough of these to make combos with . But I think a het red would be my first pick

[Albey]

So, Pretzel will be up to size this year, after raising her for 2+ years.

But I'm stumped with what to run through her

The possible options are: Lemon Pastel, Mojave, Yellowbelly, Jolliff Tiger and "maybe" a Spider if he gets up to weight in time (but the spider is a big if for being ready).

She's nice and dark, and wonderful black back. I've been leaning more towards Mojave and Jolliff Tiger, because I'm worried that with her being so dark, that she'd "dull" out the Lemon Pastel.

She'd be perfect for an albino project, but I don't have any albino's or even het albino's.

What would YOU do?

That is a tough one Robin. Her best attributes are her pattern, which is killer looking, but like you said her color is dark. That rules out the Pastel for sure. The yellowbelly could be cool if it adds that Black back to the offspring. I am thinking further down the road when making Yellowbelly combos like a Pastel Yellowbelly might be really nice. The Mojave might work even though I personally like the lighter colored ones. A Black backed patterned Mojave could be great looking. Think Adams heavy patterned Cinnamons. I am not familiar with the Jolliff Tiger but if it looks like it sounds with a Tiger pattern then it might be the best match of all. Mixing patterns can really look tough.

Good luck with whichever you decide.

[NickMyers03]

Mojave or Spider!!

and keep back all the females

[Adam_Wysocki]

Robin,

I'm been producing some really smoking hot yellow bellies the last couple years from dark adult females. Heavy heavy checker board belly patterns and hot flames ... they're not the brightest yellow YB's in the world, but the intensity of their patterns and their contrasting darks are super hot in my opinion. I would go yellow belly on that girl and hope the black back is co-dom-ish ... it could make for a very cool odd ball YB baby or two.

Just some food for thought.

-adam

[Tosha_Mc]

I vote YB


BTW - got a belly shot of that girl?