BEWARE!! Allen Exotics, AKA LAWReptiles, AKA Cutting Edge Exotics

[dsirkle]

Jo,

Yes this type of thing makes me sick to my stomach. I will be producing my own animals this year after a few years of buying them and bringing them up to size. It is horrible to think that I may now be flooded with animals due to everyone getting scammed by the new guy! I've been working with a few of the bigger breeders in Arizona and also Neil Golli as well and they have all helped me a lot giving tips on feeding and breeding. Ive just recently started posting here on BP.net I usually scanned but wanted get to know the people I am sure I will eventually do business with. Hopefully things like this don't ruin it for us new guys!

The effect of this experience will more than likely make people more wary of dealing with strangers and hopefully more likely to check references. This guy for example gave Neil Golli as a reference. Had Neil been asked I feel sure that he would say that he didn't know this guy. If you can be vouched for by a few known and credible people, you will find people to buy from you. I would never buy or trade over the internet with a total stranger that I had no knowledge of other than his advertisement, with or without the Lawreptiles episode happening.

[frankykeno]

I'm with you on this one, Dale. I'm always, always amazed when I read threads over at the BOI about somebody getting ripped off and they do not even have the full name of the seller, any real idea of who they are other than an email address or any even basic idea of who they are doing business with. I've just never quite figured that one out yet?

Sorry but if I'm sending you what I consider a lot of money, I'm going to want to know more than that you can manage to open various email addresses to scam me from. Not saying this is the case here, but you see it all the time and it's always confused me.

[karbogast]

While I appreciate your desire to help look out for other people, the staff here at BP.net cannot take action against someone based on nothing more than a single person's "gut instinct."

I wasn't asking for, or expecting the staff to do anything. You guys/gals do a great job and my post was not meant to infer otherwise. I am merley stating that as a community we need to look out for each other and in that respect the "gut feeling" of an experienced individual can be very valuable.

[frankykeno]

I wasn't asking for, or expecting the staff to do anything. You guys/gals do a great job and my post was not meant to infer otherwise. I am merley stating that as a community we need to look out for each other and in that respect the "gut feeling" of an experienced individual can be very valuable.

Kevin, this is just my personal take on it, not that of a Moderator here so take that for what it's worth to you.

Sometimes it's in how information is expressed. If your intent is to inform and warn, but it's expressed in a way that sets folks off, well then your good intent behind the message is sort of lost in the translation. This is made even worse on the internet when all anyone has is words on a screen to go by.

Sometimes, as difficult as it is, being careful of the words we choose to use here does actually work.

[karbogast]

I still do not agree with flaming someone becasue of a gut feeling. If you had proof at the time, I would have backed you up. But with no proof, it seemed wrong to call him a bad guy and call him names. That is why I stood up for the guy.

For those of you who do not know what this is about here is the link:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73406

Eddie did you see the photo of the dehydrated wrinkled ball python that he was trying to sell a fellow member. That was a shame, and there is no way I could defend someone that tried to sell an animal like that, especially to an obviously inexperienced member of our little community here. That stuff matters, and if it makes you feel better to point a finger at me go ahead man! The people who have bought from me have been extremely happy getting great service and high quality animals because that is what everyone deserves when they spend their hard earned money.

I have been a positve member of this board and made a mistake in calling him a name, but if you think that one little slip defines who I am well your right! I am passionate about reptiles and those that choose this hobby as well. If I feel like someone is bad for the animals and the keepers alike, then there is no way I can not step up and say something even if it may offend someone and drive away a potential customer. The animals come first, period! I have seen many post and people that I didn't agree with but never voiced an opinion 'cause it was just that an opinion. With LAW it was much more than that and so I felt the need to call him out even if it was just a hunch. Sometimes in life if you wait for absolutes then it will be to late to follow your gut. I took a chance in an effort to help others, you are hung up on how I treated the person that was not on the up and up. I still don't get that! Eddie just understand that my intentions were good and although I was just trying to look out for others I respect your opinion to defend LAW even though I don't think he is worthy of you sticking up for him.

Here is a link to the unhealthy looking BP LAW was trying to sell and part of the reason I was "harsh" as Eddie likes to put it.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73336

[dsirkle]

You've got to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em

[karbogast]

You've got to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em

True and I fold....lmao!

[SatanicIntention]

No worries Kevin, I knew where you were coming from. If I posted dehydrated and emaciated snakes for sale, I would definitely be expecting a beating to my miserable hide.

But since I don't

< knew he was trashy trash too..

[TMurphy]

Is this the same guy that had pictures of MANY various breeder's animals plastered all over his website/tripod site's opening homepage?? That's all I needed to see.....red flags went waving.
That sux that a few of you were scammed and I do truly hope for the best outcome for you, but I'm not going to sugar coat this either........does it take a 2X4, with scammer written all over to it, to the forehead to make you think "something's fishy??"
And to the one that recommended having a minimum post count in order to post in the classifieds.....brilliant idea!! Oh wait....the next Law Reptiles can come in and post "pretty snake" or "lol" 500X in about 10 minutes. Problem not solved. Just because a person doesn't post a remark/comment to every single thread doesn't imply that he/she is a scammer. Some of us come here to look at pretty snakes and just browse, pm with other members, or whatever....point is, a high post count amounts to a pile of poop if I don't know you.
Research people. Jesus.

[neilgolli]

Hello everyone, just catching up on the thread here and over on Fauna. I'd like to state that I don't know who this guy is. I cannot say that I've never sold to him as anyone who knows me knows that I'm terrible with names and could have very easily forgot his name. HOWEVER I would not give anyone a reference that I do not know exceptionally well as those references come back to reflect on me.

I have not been back to my office today as we are still very very busy with the buildout of the new building, thus have not been able to check my email records for anyone of the 12 address that he was apparently using.