Oh my god, please not IBD.

[Peter Williams]

No, but I'll surely see them at the next expo. Sept 20th.

[Peter Williams]

Do you guys think its worth it to move my entire hatching rack to another room? Away from my adults? Or would it be too late?

Is it possible for a snake to die of IBD without exhibiting any of the symptoms?

Anybody got answers to these?

[Samuel]

Anybody got answers to these?

Well, for the first one I would say yes, move them if you can .. UNLESS you have others snakes in the house, thus potentially spreading it even more.

[xdeus]

Do you guys think its worth it to move my entire hatching rack to another room? Away from my adults? Or would it be too late?

Yes, I think it would be worth it. I doubt if it would do any good if it is IBD, but if it's something else like a parasite it might not be too late.

Is it possible for a snake to die of IBD without exhibiting any of the symptoms?

I've never heard of a case of IBD without symptoms, but I imagine the symptoms could go unnoticed if the infection was quick and the snake wasn't monitored for some time.

[Tosha_Mc]

RodentKing BOI thread = many name changes, bad customer service, no call backs, no/late shipping, etc.

As far as it being IBD - if you've had them since April -- and this is the first you've seen of it (since you check them everyday) -- I would venture it's more likely to be something else and you just caught the last struggling moments for the poor girl. Unless (and there's always an unless) you've gotten a recent addition or have been to a show or in contact in some way with an infected animal and it's just caught it.

I'm willing to make a small donation as well if you want to shoot me your paypal address.

[Samuel]

If I had money to give, I would .. but I need it for my own collection and I am moving soon so .. times be ruff. If you really need some help, I could spot you some in a pinch to get this taken care of though.

[extensive]

ugh this sucks... keep us updated.

[StickyTongues]

I had a similar problem with a neonate boa 5 years ago and it turned out to be neurological problem not caused by IBD. My vet did a necropsy and also sent the body to Dr. Elliot Jacobson to run additional test and it came back negative for IBD, known viruses, bacterial infections, etc. My reptile vet brought up the idea that this neurological problem could have been caused by other factors such has excessive heat, extreme dehydration, or chemicals such as PAM (provent-a-mite).

Everyone had told me PAM was safe to us but I should have been way more careful. I was just starting out and I didn't know any better. I had just set up the quarantine tub for this little guy the same day I got him and I sprayed PAM all over his enclosure. I let it air out a few minutes and put his water bowl in. After I had inspected him I put him in his tub and off he went into his hide.

After about 2 days I started noticing he was star gazing and then started twisting like your ball python did. I immediately took him to the vet and he brought up the concern about IBD and the symptoms did match. I agreed on the necropsy which came back inconclusive. My vet suggested sending the body to Dr. Elliot for additional testing since he is an expert on the matter. Well the good thing was it wasn't IBD and I was ecstatic about that but was sad to loose this little guy.

So don't jump to conclusion on this being caused by IBD as it is apparently not as common as people think it is, per Dr. Elliot and my vet. But then again this was years ago. For all the noob out there using SPAM, don't make the same mistake I did. Just a little SPAM goes a long way. Now I only pre-treat my cage liners, aspen, or whatever I'm going to use as substrate and never spray directly in the tub and its worked the same for me. If you do decide to spray PAM directly in the tub make sure you air it out and make sure everything is completely dry in the tub before putting your animals back in.

If you need some funds I'll donate to help with the necropsy. PM me your paypal address. Good luck with the necropsy.

Sam

[Peter Williams]

I really feel like a cheap jerk here, but all you that have offered to help me out a little bit, it would really make a difference. I don't have paypal but my dad does, I just don't know what I need to give you for you to be able to donate to me, any help would be appreciated.

PS, I have the all the CH's moved far away from my adults now.

Also, now I cannot go to the vet until tomorrow, her body is in the fridge, is going to be ok until tomorrow?

[Samuel]

I really feel like a cheap jerk here, but all you that have offered to help me out a little bit, it would really make a difference. I don't have paypal but my dad does, I just don't know what I need to give you for you to be able to donate to me, any help would be appreciated.

PS, I have the all the CH's moved far away from my adults now.

Just need the email address that is connected to the PayPal account.