I don't like ad's like this

[wendy]

my opinion on this.....

snakes are a different ballgame (pardon the pun) entirely.

dogs on the otherhand....well i can' believe mixing these breeds, that akc and other dog

associations recognize them. (part of evolution maybe?)

on the other hand....breeding dogs is cool if done properly and legally and most

importantly...humanely. i feel that if people pay for a dog, they are more likely to care for

it.

i have seen toooo many free puppies get passed around like they are an ashtray or

something.

[wolfy-hound]

I would like to point out, German Shepards(and a LOT of AKC breeds) have not "been around for centuries".
German shepards as they are known today are slightly over One century old. Many other breeds are not even fifty. Most of the toy breeds came about very recently.
That's still a LOT of generations, and some breeds HAVE been around for a long long time(usually the Japanese, or chinese breeds).
Any dog being bred can have genetic issues, or defects. The breeder should always be aware of the dog's health and possible issues prior to breeding it, and if they just don't really care, they shouldn't be breeding dogs.
The lack of specifics in the original ad shows that they don't seem at all concerned with the quality of dog, and in fact, very few breeders would part with a quality intact female of breeding age.

[wendy]

i agree. sheps are my favorite. i just put mine down a year ago...he was 13.

different breeds have different ailments and qualities. if it is to improve the overall quality of the animal, then great. but its all about dead presidents now.

as a breeder myself, i took a long time to pick my breeders. i didn't care if i got to breed that year as long as i could find what i wanted, the best.

akc, ukc they are corrupt. as long as you have your fee money, they give you papers. its a shame. my 2 cents.

[mooingtricycle]

akc, ukc they are corrupt. as long as you have your fee money, they give you papers. its a shame. my 2 cents.

Why do you think they are corrupt? Papers are needed to register an animal with known lineages, from my understanding. Not just anyone can register their dog because they have money. And the litter needs to be registered for an animal to become AKC register-able.

[wolfy-hound]

The problem arises when you have papers, so you use those papers to register a litter of pups that are not from those dogs. Or you say there are more pups in a legitimate litter, and sell the extra papers, or use pups from another litter and say those are from the original litter.
You can buy papers from unscrupulous breeders for dogs that have no papers, then breed all you like.
Puppy mills are infamous for turning out large litters of pups, like 8 maltese in one litter... then any fluffy white puppy of about the right age, or younger suddenly becomes a 'maltese AKC papered'. They even have files of extra papers so they can supply whatever type of pup. The same white fluffy pup can be a shih tzu, lsasa, poodle, bichon, maltese, havanese, etc.
The AKC and other organizations are just as corupt as any organization, in that there's always someone that is supposed to check, and obviously doesn't, or "overlooks" discrepancies.

[NightLad]

All dogs. Are the same species. Just with different physical Attributes. So yes. It is akin to breeding two different kinds of ball pythons.

All dogs may be categorized in the umbrella Canis familiaris, yet they differ radically from breed to breed. I’m not just talking about physical traits, either. Anybody who has owned dogs of different breeds will know that the inherent qualities of the dogs, such as mental ability, instinctual reaction, personality traits typical for the breed and general temperament (to name a few) differ greatly.

BPs, on the other hand, will exhibit the same BP traits no matter what morph they are – because a BP morph is only a superficial (aesthetic) difference between snakes. When you mix breeds of dog, you get a mixed bag with who-knows-what inherited and/or warped from the sire and dame. This point is discussed widely in dog breeding circles. The following points were made by one long-time breeder:

1. Purebred dogs are not mixes, because they breed true. That means that you can predict what they will look like, grow to become, act like, and what capabilities they will have from the moment they are conceived. This is NEVER the case with a mixed breed dog...you have no idea which genes you will get from which parent, nor which they will resemble, nor which breed in their background will most influence their temperament.

It takes many, many generations of selection to breed true. You can't breed one litter from two different breed parents and say that you have created a "new breed".

2. The purebreds we have today were never "designer" breeds -- they were never developed specifically for sale to the public as pets. They were never bred for "marketability". They were bred and developed for a PURPOSE -- a better hunting dog for lowland game; a better herding dog for the rough, hilly terrain of the Shetland Islands; a better Guardian for a tax collector; a better sled dog to ensure the SURVIVAL of a native tribe.

The "designer dogs" being mass-produced and sold to the public like Ugg Boots or Hollister jeans these days were developed for no noble, useful reason. THEY WERE DEVELOPED TO MAKE SOMEONE MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE DOGS INVOLVED.

3. If people research their breeders, they will get what they pay for with a purebred. The same is NEVER true of a "designer" mix.

While all dogs may be members of Canis familiaris, they are not equal.

* Above emphasis/capitalization as appeared in original.

[wolfy-hound]

Actually a lot of the toy breeds were designed specifically for marketability to the upper class and people of the royal courts, when toy dogs came into fashion.
Yeah, I know.. I love to nitpick too. But I've been pet grooming for 17 years. Dog info/trivia is fun and impresses the clients.

[dsirkle]

I would like to point out, German Shepards(and a LOT of AKC breeds) have not "been around for centuries".
German shepards as they are known today are slightly over One century old. Many other breeds are not even fifty. Most of the toy breeds came about very recently.
That's still a LOT of generations, and some breeds HAVE been around for a long long time(usually the Japanese, or chinese breeds).
Any dog being bred can have genetic issues, or defects. The breeder should always be aware of the dog's health and possible issues prior to breeding it, and if they just don't really care, they shouldn't be breeding dogs.
The lack of specifics in the original ad shows that they don't seem at all concerned with the quality of dog, and in fact, very few breeders would part with a quality intact female of breeding age.

German Shepherds have been around for centuries with the same basic drives and instinct but the standards used today were only around for about a century. You can see photos of dogs referred to as German Shepherds from the mid 1800's but they differ greatly in appearance from the dogs of today. If my memory serves me correctly, a German military guy from the Kaiser Wilhelm era drew up the current standard. The general appearance of most breeds constantly evolves as change is not preventable. Everything that you said is essentially correct, I am just being a nitpicker.

[littleindiangirl]

German Shepherds have been around for centuries with the same basic drives and instinct but the standards used today were only around for about a century. You can see photos of dogs referred to as German Shepherds from the mid 1800's but they differ greatly in appearance from the dogs of today. If my memory serves me correctly, a German military guy from the Kaiser Wilhelm era drew up the current standard. The general appearance of most breeds constantly evolves as change is not preventable. Everything that you said is essentially correct, I am just being a nitpicker.

And also on that note, the standards for breeding the GSD in Europe are different than the American version. So much so, I think they will begin to look startingly different in the future. My future dog will hopefully be the black color phase, or the white. I love the classic black and sable, but you don't see very many pure blacks or whites.

[dsirkle]

And also on that note, the standards for breeding the GSD in Europe are different than the American version. So much so, I think they will begin to look startingly different in the future. My future dog will hopefully be the black color phase, or the white. I love the classic black and sable, but you don't see very many pure blacks or whites.

I like the sable best by far!