I don't like ad's like this

[wolfy-hound]

Mixing a borneo and a ball is mixing species. Mixing a pug and a poodle is mixing "morphs" of one species(the dog).
There's no real difference genetically in making a "puggle" than making a "bumblebee", since both mix seperate distinctly bred lines.
The REAL LIFE difference is in breeding dogs when many dogs are being put to sleep in shelters. But then you get.. why breed ANY dogs? It's a large can o worms to breed any dog.. whether purebred or not. Why not restrict breeding to only the very prime healthiest stock of purebred AKC breeds? Well.. because not all breeds are recognized by AKC. Some people prefer non-purebreds thinking purebreds are all inbred. Some like this.. some like that.
If someone breeds a litter of pups, correctly cares for parents and pups, and sells them into a good home, then I see no moral difference to that, than in a purebred breeder doing the same. There are many purebreds in shelters too!
That said, the ad is "clearly to me" for a mill type organization, since a family should not need that many dogs that they are advertising for, nor that many different breeds.
Why not charge big bucks for "mutts"? If someone will pay it, then charge it. Maybe that mutt will have more value in their eyes if they pay a big price. The issue is normally that people then try to breed THEIR dogs.. thinking they will make big money.. then they skimp on the care of the animals.. or skimp on the checking out the buyers...
Well.. another long ramble.
The big difference to me is that snakes are solitary by nature, and prefer to not have contact and socialization for the most part. Dogs are more needy, needing care and exercise and attention and affection and training. Can you keep 50 dogs for breeding and give ALL of them that? Now.. can you keep 50 snakes and give them what they need? Probaly so.
Unless you walk your snakes with that ultra cool snake walker of course...

[Corrupter]

Mixing a borneo and a ball is mixing species. Mixing a pug and a poodle is mixing "morphs" of one species(the dog).
There's no real difference genetically in making a "puggle" than making a "bumblebee", since both mix seperate distinctly bred lines.
The REAL LIFE difference is in breeding dogs when many dogs are being put to sleep in shelters. But then you get.. why breed ANY dogs? It's a large can o worms to breed any dog.. whether purebred or not. Why not restrict breeding to only the very prime healthiest stock of purebred AKC breeds? Well.. because not all breeds are recognized by AKC. Some people prefer non-purebreds thinking purebreds are all inbred. Some like this.. some like that.
If someone breeds a litter of pups, correctly cares for parents and pups, and sells them into a good home, then I see no moral difference to that, than in a purebred breeder doing the same. There are many purebreds in shelters too!
That said, the ad is "clearly to me" for a mill type organization, since a family should not need that many dogs that they are advertising for, nor that many different breeds.
Why not charge big bucks for "mutts"? If someone will pay it, then charge it. Maybe that mutt will have more value in their eyes if they pay a big price. The issue is normally that people then try to breed THEIR dogs.. thinking they will make big money.. then they skimp on the care of the animals.. or skimp on the checking out the buyers...
Well.. another long ramble.
The big difference to me is that snakes are solitary by nature, and prefer to not have contact and socialization for the most part. Dogs are more needy, needing care and exercise and attention and affection and training. Can you keep 50 dogs for breeding and give ALL of them that? Now.. can you keep 50 snakes and give them what they need? Probaly so.
Unless you walk your snakes with that ultra cool snake walker of course...

Breeding 2 different kinds of dogs is not like breeding 2 different kinds of ball pythons. With 2 diff morphs of ball pythons, you have to remember that the only main differences are the colors and pattern of the snake. There arent any physical differences like size and shape of the animal. With dogs, they are all different sizes and shapes. In some cases it isnt even safe to breed 2 dogs together, or even physically possible (imagine a male great dane and a female chuhuahua for example) Even though some consider all dogs the same species, they have evolved to so many different breeds that it doesnt make sense to say a dog is a dog and all can/should be mixed. Would you say the same about snakes? Is a snake a snake? Going even more specific, is a python a python? Of course you can get diff kinds of pythons to breed just like you can get different kinds of dogs to breed but why would you want to mix them together when it is recognized by most serious breeders/owners as a mutt?

[wolfy-hound]

Dog is a species. Ball python is a species. I was not talking about the physical drawbacks in picking two extremes. Snakes is not a species.
Most dog breeds started as mutts, that were healthy and had characteristics that someone valued, and bred into a "breed" that bred true, throwing only litters of pups that grew into adults resembling the parents.
The difference of todays reality is that people who MADE breeds, were interested in the health and use of the dog they were trying to create. If the person doing the breeding has the health and use of the dog in mind, then a mixed breed(i.e. labradoodle) can become it's own breed, with good health and distinct genetic characteristics. There are lines of labradoodles that are distinct.. but too many other "labradoodles" that are anything from poodle looking to lab looking to lsasa apso looking... so there is not established breed of labradoodle.
If you were breeding caramel ball pythons without regard to kinking or health.. then you'd be as bad as someone breeding puggles with lousy knees and allergies.. in my opinion.

[420boa]

hey wilolm eat one

[stangs13]

The very fact that you felt the need to ask this question speaks volumes not only about your intelligence and your diligent search for it, but that your morals and ethics may well be, at the least, underdeveloped if not missing all together.

hey wilolm eat one

This just further proves Wes's comment.

Connie, have you talked to your local SPCA about the add? They might be able to do something.

[Patrick Long]

Dog is a species. Ball python is a species. I was not talking about the physical drawbacks in picking two extremes. Snakes is not a species.
Most dog breeds started as mutts, that were healthy and had characteristics that someone valued, and bred into a "breed" that bred true, throwing only litters of pups that grew into adults resembling the parents.
The difference of todays reality is that people who MADE breeds, were interested in the health and use of the dog they were trying to create. If the person doing the breeding has the health and use of the dog in mind, then a mixed breed(i.e. labradoodle) can become it's own breed, with good health and distinct genetic characteristics. There are lines of labradoodles that are distinct.. but too many other "labradoodles" that are anything from poodle looking to lab looking to lsasa apso looking... so there is not established breed of labradoodle.
If you were breeding caramel ball pythons without regard to kinking or health.. then you'd be as bad as someone breeding puggles with lousy knees and allergies.. in my opinion.

If you think mixing species of dogs is the same with breeding different morphs of Ball Pythons....you need to leave.

I cannot begin to describe how assinine this statement sounds. A poodle bred to a great dane, WILL NEVER be the same as a bumblebee or whatever was quoted. The fact that you even think that is quite scary.

There are over 800 different breeds of dogs, all of which are completely different in the genetic make up, except for the fact that they are in fact, DOGS.

How many morphs of ball pythons that you know of are physically different from the other, not color, but shape/size........0. you breed to ball pythons together, they are still two ball pythons. You breed two dogs together, they may be "dogs" but with the genetic variations of "dog" they are not the same species, but Sub-species.

I really cannot believe that you actually typed this. It may be your opinion, but when opinions involve facts......are they really opinions?

hey wilolm eat one

mmmmmmm whats he having? Im hungry....

[sho220]

The difference between dogs and balls is that when you check out Craigslist you don't see a hundred different ads each day for various unwanted morphs that people are trying to rehome...

[python.princess]

If you think mixing species of dogs is the same with breeding different morphs of Ball Pythons....you need to leave.

I cannot begin to describe how assinine this statement sounds. A poodle bred to a great dane, WILL NEVER be the same as a bumblebee or whatever was quoted. The fact that you even think that is quite scary.

There are over 800 different breeds of dogs, all of which are completely different in the genetic make up, except for the fact that they are in fact, DOGS.

How many morphs of ball pythons that you know of are physically different from the other, not color, but shape/size........0. you breed to ball pythons together, they are still two ball pythons. You breed two dogs together, they may be "dogs" but with the genetic variations of "dog" they are not the same species, but Sub-species.

I really cannot believe that you actually typed this. It may be your opinion, but when opinions involve facts......are they really opinions?

A little rude in the delivery but I totally agree with what you're sayin!

The difference between dogs and balls is that when you check out Craigslist you don't see a hundred different ads each day for various unwanted morphs that people are trying to rehome...

Not sure how this has any weight in the subject?

[jknudson]

When you breed two different breeds of dogs, the offspring will look more like either one breed or the other...it takes successive generations of line breeding to get the pooches to 'breed true'...where all the pups will have a distinctive look.

These designer dogs are just first generation breeding experiments...no better than the Heinz57 at the pound, they shouldn't command hundreds of dollars.

And all I'll say to the comparison of BPs...they are a whole different animal... apples and oranges.

[West Coast Jungle]

I think one of the big problems with selling dog mixes is opening the door to a bunch of lies or at least misleading consumers. That said I have a mixed breed dog (PitbullxVisla) that is a rescue and by far the smartest, best dog I have ever had. I agree if you want a mix go rescue one and not open the door to scamming puppy mills. Not that they are all going to be like that but there are enough of them to be concerned.

A snake combo on the otherhand is much more obvious and distinguishable to the educated consumer(who is most likely to purchase a high priced snake). We also dont have public facilities full of ball python morph combos being put to sleep daily. When I rescued my dog 4.5 years ago the city of Los Angeles was exterminating 250 dogs a day. That is a very sad fact.