2 questions about bumblebees

[Peter Williams]

1. Can a bumblebee X normal produce bumblebees?

Because I was looking throught EbN's hatching records and saw bumblebee X normal yielded 2.1 Bumblebees, 0.1 Spiders, 2.1 Pastels & 0.3 Normals. I always thought a double co-dom would only produce normals, and the 2 codoms mixed into it, so in this cause I thought it would only produce normals, spiders, and pastels, but not bees.

2. Is an '08 male bumblebee worth $1500? I emailed Marc Mandic and thats his price. Does that sound reasonable?

[atp151415]

yup, bee to a normal can make bees

[Fearless]

Thats about what they were going for last year, and i alot of it depends on the quality of the bee

[jknudson]

A.) You're in Canada...it's a smaller market, stuff has cost more up there for years now...it will equal out to US market price eventually, and already has started to...

B.) It depends on the quality of Bumblebee....for a crappy one... I wouldn't pay $1500. But for a stunner like panthercz's heck yeah I'd pay $1500.

[RandyRemington]

The reason bumblebee X normal can produce bee and normals (and not only spiders and pastels) is because spider and pastel have proven to be mutations of different genes, probably not even on the same chromosome (at least not very close together). So the bee has both a spider and normal for spider version of the gene at the spider locus and also both a pastel and normal for pastel gene at the separate pastel locus. It's like two separate coin flips to decide which version of the spider gene (normal for spider or spider mutant) and which version of the pastel gene (normal for pastel or pastel mutant) get passed on to each offspring and. All combos are possible.

Now a leucistic produced from lesser X mojave is a different situation. It appears that lesser and mojave are two different mutations of the same gene (alleles). So it's like a single coin flip where heads is lesser and tails is mojave. The leucistic parent has no normal version to pass on so no normals from breeding this leucistic to a normal. Also no leucistic because each baby only gets one copy of this common gene from the leucistic parent (either the lesser or the mojave version but not both). So this breeding produces only lesser and mojaves at a along term average 50/50 split.

[Mochelem]

can all types of spiders be bred to a normal and produce spiders or is it just the bumble bee?

[Freakie_frog]

can all types of spiders be bred to a normal and produce spiders or is it just the bumble bee?

Any spider bred to a normal will have the ability to produce spiders.

[Mochelem]

are there any other morphs that are like this?

[Freakie_frog]

are there any other morphs that are like this?

Like what not sure what your asking.

[Mochelem]

Are there other morphs besides spiders that can be bred to a normal and produce the morph?