How can you tell your BP likes you?

[starmom]

Oooo, pull a House and hijack an MRI machine? I'm liking it!!

[mooingtricycle]

Oooo, pull a House and hijack an MRI machine? I'm liking it!!

LOL and get arrested! woo! sounds like fun!

In all seriousness, i do wonder if these sorts of experiments have already been done.

[Sonya610]

i wonder, has anyone measured the brainwave patterns of snakes before, under different circumstances? Feeding time, breeding, egg laying, with others, alone, soaking, basking? Maybe it can enlighten, or confirm for just about anyone whos interested in this discussion.

Okay I said i was stopping, and I really really am after this post. But when it comes to brain waves, that implies a belief that brain waves, or the machines that interpet them, mean anything.

Hey I am not saying that I think reptiles experience the world as we do, I am just saying I do not know HOW they experience their world, and I do not believe that modern science knows either. I think any observer would agree that they do NOT think like we do. I am simply saying that I will not buy into what modern science says because science with regard to the essence of true consciousness is not in a position to judge. Scientists change their opinions on the mechanics of intellect and experience often. In my mind it gets into some very iffy, almost theological issues.

[STORMS]

snakes don't like people, they just tolerate us.

I agree

BTW your avatar tripped me out - thought there was a bug on my screen

[darkangel]

Okay I said i was stopping, and I really really am after this post. But when it comes to brain waves, that implies a belief that brain waves, or the machines that interpet them, mean anything.

Hey I am not saying that I think reptiles experience the world as we do, I am just saying I do not know HOW they experience their world, and I do not believe that modern science knows either. I think any observer would agree that they do NOT think like we do. I am simply saying that I will not buy into what modern science says because science with regard to the essence of true consciousness is not in a position to judge. Scientists change their opinions on the mechanics of intellect and experience often. In my mind it gets into some very iffy, almost theological issues.

It sounds like you don't "buy into science" period. Brain waves mean nothing now? MRIs mean nothing? Without some scientific knowledge, what are you left with, besides blind faith in theology and distrust of everything you're told? It seems to me like you opened this can of worms and now are trying to gracefully waltz back out with a cop out that "scientists change their opinions often." Of course they do. That's why I love science - it's not so adamant in its theories to become like a religion. When something is proven otherwise, the rules can always change. How can you participate in a discussion like this if you're so distrusting of science?

[mooingtricycle]

Okay I said i was stopping, and I really really am after this post. But when it comes to brain waves, that implies a belief that brain waves, or the machines that interpet them, mean anything.

Hey I am not saying that I think reptiles experience the world as we do, I am just saying I do not know HOW they experience their world, and I do not believe that modern science knows either. I think any observer would agree that they do NOT think like we do. I am simply saying that I will not buy into what modern science says because science with regard to the essence of true consciousness is not in a position to judge. Scientists change their opinions on the mechanics of intellect and experience often. In my mind it gets into some very iffy, almost theological issues.

Im not disagreeing, nor agreeing per se. I have a mixed opinion on the subject, and wish to know more.

I think maybe they might be able to think, but i do NOT think it is on the same level as humans and other higher mammals. I could very well be wrong, and that is fine. But, anything to measure brainwaves may help us understand what is going on inside these animals heads.
Its the activity im interested in. How much brain activity is going on, if theres alot, what does that mean? and hopefully that could shed further light on this topic. This stuff is interesting, and fun.

[littleindiangirl]

Okay I said i was stopping, and I really really am after this post. But when it comes to brain waves, that implies a belief that brain waves, or the machines that interpet them, mean anything.

What do you mean by this? That they mean anything? I must be missing your point. What don't they mean?


MRI machines and Cat scans and other machines are the primary tools we use to learn about our brains and how they function. Where the memory functions are, where our motor skills, eye sight or hearing are all governed, where our brains deal with pain or joy.... What do you mean they dont mean anything?

[Sonya610]

Im not disagreeing, nor agreeing per se. I have a mixed opinion on the subject, and wish to know more.

I think maybe they might be able to think, but i do NOT think it is on the same level as humans and other higher mammals. I could very well be wrong, and that is fine. But, anything to measure brainwaves may help us understand what is going on inside these animals heads.
Its the activity im interested in. How much brain activity is going on, if theres alot, what does that mean? and hopefully that could shed further light on this topic. This stuff is interesting, and fun.

Okay since this is not getting weirdly religions, I won't stop posting. I realize measuring brain waves in humans can show if there is electrical (?) brain activity, and what parts of the brain are affected, and they can compare that to how or whether the human individual is functioning or not. They have also been able to map parts of the human brain because they can talk to the person and figure out in some cases what parts of the brain effect different areas of thought.

But when measuring the activity in the healthy brains of other species it is a bit different because they do not know for sure how their brains work. The scans may show normal activity, but science is not in any position to say what that normal activity means with regard what the animal experiences.

Scientists recently changed their views on the capabilities of the avian brain, based on studies of behavior and their ability to learn, the brain scans didn't change. The fact is we don't know, we can only guess based on what we observe, but even observing is not all that accurate because it often comes down to the ability to communicate with the other.

[darkangel]

Right, we never know anything for sure, so why even make educated guesses?! Waste of time!

[Jenn]

I'm always surprised at these threads that no one wants to talk about the fact that WE came slithering out of the sea one day and evolved into being able to seperate ourselves from all other animals. We evolved from a lower life form and all animals have the capacity to evolve as well.