well its time for the heel of ball-pythons.net to chime in, this is bad not only are they not pastels but very under weight, im tired of these jerks that are screwing up the market of the animal we all love, when this happens i wish we could all come together on a special post adviseing people to stay away from thses people, untill somthing is done these losers are going to ruin the hobby and the value of these great snakes,