Is this snake a blackback?

[Tosha_Mc]

Just throwing this out to muddy the waters a little more.....

Earlier in the thread someone quoted Ralph as saying the only true blackback was the Red Axanthic - well if you look at a bunch of pictures of red axanthics and their hets - MOST of them tend to have just as much if not more going on pattern-wise in their dorsal area than the posted snake. Yes some have clean black backs and some are patterned.

Agendas aside - what is the difference?

When it's all said and done - a genetic blackback ain't worth any more than a normal anyway.

[Mike Cavanaugh]

a genetic blackback ain't worth any more than a normal anyway.

That is a matter of opinion for sure... I would be willing, and so would many others, to pay much more for a true black back, like robins "pretzel". When it REALLY is a blackback, the difference is immediatley noticable.... Immediately noticable from the norm... isn't that pretty much the definition of a morph? ( assuming of course that its children look the same?)

[joepythons]

That is a matter of opinion for sure... I would be willing, and so would many others, to pay much more for a true black back, like robins "pretzel". When it REALLY is a blackback, the difference is immediatley noticable.... Immediately noticable from the norm... isn't that pretty much the definition of a morph? ( assuming of course that its children look the same?)

Mike did someone pee in your cheerios or something this morning? You have been ragging over and over about that snake and its getting old .If YOU dont like the snake fine move on to another thread .My god its VERY stupid to argue over a certain way a snake looks or doesnt look

[Mike Cavanaugh]

B]My god its VERY stupid to argue over a certain way a snake looks or doesnt look[/B]

Sorry dude, I thought that was the basis of our hobby!!!!
LOL!!!
You sound EXACTLY like my fiance that HATES snakes!

LMAO!!!!!!

[joepythons]

Sorry dude, I thought that was the basis of our hobby!!!!
LOL!!!

You sound like my fiance that HATES snakes!

LOL

So our basis is to argue over and over on how a snake looks huh? I thought it was the love of the species .So give me your opinion on this pic.What would you call it? I CALL IT A CAT . http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...hons/gabby.jpg

[Mike Cavanaugh]

It is the love of the species and HOW IT LOOKS! Correct me people here if I am wrong...

As for the pic.... Yes, it is in fact a cat. A terrorist of hatchlings... a soon to be victom of my finest females... A rat is a Rat is a RAt.


Going to bed now... Have to go to work tommorow to afford the lifestyle that allow me to post every night..... and to afford not to make me dip into the savings account for the upcoming daytona show!!
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[joepythons]

It is the love of the species and HOW IT LOOKS! Correct me people here if I am wrong...

As for the pic.... Yes, it is in fact a cat. A terrorist of hatchlings... a soon to be victom of my finest females... A rat is a Rat is a RAt.


Going to bed now... Have to go to work tommorow to afford the lifestyle that allow me to post every night..... and to afford not to make me dip into the savings account for the upcoming daytona show!!
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Wow i guess we are full of ourselves aren't we now .To the original question YES THAT IS A BLACK BACK AND A NICE ONE AT THAT

[Nate]

Alright guys. This isn't a civil discussion anymore. Clearly, we all see things in a different way, so there's no need in adding more fuel to the fire. Consider this a warning

[joepythons]

Alright guys. This isn't a civil discussion anymore. Clearly, we all see things in a different way, so there's no need in adding more fuel to the fire. Consider this a warning

Yes sir .Its all good Nate

[littleindiangirl]

I haven't read this thread in days. Mike, have you ever considered that you might be wrong?

You aren't the end all decision in this industry, you can only make decisions for yourself on what you are willing to pay for a normal female. You cannot force anyone to change the price of any animal, you are not them.

Have you ever seen a het red in person? Have you ever seen a clutch of co-dom black backs in person? Have you seen them ALL, or only a select few?

I ask because you tout yourself as if you have, and that you are a Connoisseur of black backed animals.

Like Tosha said, and I have said, and others have said.... A snake doesn't have to be completely free of dorsal patterned dots like Robins to be a black back!

Robins is an EXCELLENT example of a "non het red" black back!

There are varying degrees of this feature just like any other characteristic.

Just like a reduced animal doesn't have to be 100% banded to be considered reduced.

It looks better that way yes, but if it has 20% of spots on the back, and the rest is clean, wide and black like the owners... yes... people consider "black back" as a perfectly good description.






Do you see the similarities? The first picture isn't as clear and perfectly positioned like Robins... but it is VERY clear they carry a lot in common.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but when you start parading it as a hard fact in the face of many other more experienced opinions; telling others that your way is the only correct opinion; your going to be told otherwise.

I also find it interesting that whenever someone has a problem with a repeated answer they are getting, they are being "ganged" up on.

Consider the idea that you may just be wrong Mike! Consider the idea that your idea of a black back is very particular, but not the only correct definition!