Macavana, I don't know you. I don't know the guy with the snake for sale. I'm not in any clique. I haven't got enough common sense to be afraid to say something that may be contrary to what the majority here think. The only person that I can see that did something out of line was you who essentially accused this guy of fraud and misrepresentation. The value of these snakes are not set in stone. You say that you have a Spider from Ralph Davis. I inquired to Ralph Davis about a Spider and felt that he wanted more than I was willing to pay and I obtained one elsewhere. Should I consider Ralph a crook because of his asking price or you a sucker because you paid more than I did? Well I do not. If the two of you were satisfied with your transaction that is all that matters. I really don't understand at all what you think that you are fighting for here.