Question about BumbleBee Ball Pythons

[Gloryhound]

I don't think the market on good quality bees will drop very quickly. Low quality bees could easily sell at half the value of the good High quality ones. One thing that has to be looked at is what the cost of the morphs to make a bee will be. Lemon pastels have leveled as I think the spider has hit its bottom. Also the spider wobble/spinning characteristics could play an important part if it can be either: A. removed or B. gets worse as these animals are bred in captivity. Then how the reproduction of the morph works. While you can increase your odds of producing bees by breeding bee to bee you still don't end up with 100% offspring being bees. But you do gain additional chances at the killer bee!

[Blue Apple Herps]

Absolutely - but how many do you see that are even worth the $1K - very few (IMO) - I do think that this year we will see an overabundance of bumblebees - sadly very few of which will be selectively bred for color and pattern. Those that are will have a hard time competing with those that will look like a $200 spider in a year.

I don't think high quality bees will have a hard time competing with the lower quality ones. Sure some people will pick one up as cheap as possible, thinking they'll make some money in a few years only to be disappointed because they don't see a difference between their bee and a spider.

For people who are picky with their bps, they will pay top dollar for a top specimen. I know I would. If anything I see the lower end ones probably being harder to sell once the market gets flooded with mediocre ones, where as top notch ones will still be somewhat rarer.

[soy.lor.n]

I don't think the market on good quality bees will drop very quickly. Low quality bees could easily sell at half the value of the good High quality ones. One thing that has to be looked at is what the cost of the morphs to make a bee will be. Lemon pastels have leveled as I think the spider has hit its bottom. Also the spider wobble/spinning characteristics could play an important part if it can be either: A. removed or B. gets worse as these animals are bred in captivity. Then how the reproduction of the morph works. While you can increase your odds of producing bees by breeding bee to bee you still don't end up with 100% offspring being bees. But you do gain additional chances at the killer bee!

it seems to me that there need to be more spiderxspider breedings...I want a homozygous bee!

[Gloryhound]

it seems to me that there need to be more spiderxspider breedings...I want a homozygous bee!

Due to issues of wobbles and spinning I think this kind of breeding could possibly make the situation worse! Also to prove it out would be difficult and each parent would have to be a known Homozygous spider. A lot of inbreeding would have to take place for the smaller breeder or the smaller breeder would have to really tie up a lot of money in the overall project that if not successful or if the wobbles/spinning became worse in his line would be a complete loss that could put a smaller breeder out of business!

[nevohraalnavnoj]

it seems to me that there need to be more spiderxspider breedings...I want a homozygous bee!

I'm sure it's been tried. I wonder if the homozygous form is lethal or if it's indistinguishable from the het form?

JonV

[soy.lor.n]

I'm sure it's been tried. I wonder if the homozygous form is lethal or if it's indistinguishable from the het form?

JonV

yeah I've heard people state both definitively

[soy.lor.n]

Due to issues of wobbles and spinning I think this kind of breeding could possibly make the situation worse! Also to prove it out would be difficult and each parent would have to be a known Homozygous spider. A lot of inbreeding would have to take place for the smaller breeder or the smaller breeder would have to really tie up a lot of money in the overall project that if not successful or if the wobbles/spinning became worse in his line would be a complete loss that could put a smaller breeder out of business!

you mean to know your bee is homozygous both parents have to be homozygous for spider?
because it doesn't make sense that you would have to know both parents are homozygous for spider in order to prove out a homozygous spider....or something...

[Gloryhound]

you mean to know your bee is homozygous both parents have to be homozygous for spider?
because it doesn't make sense that you would have to know both parents are homozygous for spider in order to prove out a homozygous spider....or something...

To prove it out no! To know the offspring is Homozygous without proving it out you would have to have proven out homozygous parents!