Jen Harrison Split from Big Daddy's Wholesale Thread

[fishmommy]

did you have permission to post those emails?

I read them fully, and IMO what you bolded is much less important that what you did not.
I really feel that you are interpreting things incorrectly to support your diagnosis rather than listening to the whole message, which is: UNKNOWN VIRUS, PLEASE WAIT

keep your collection closed. it's the right thing to do.

[JenHarrison]

I am the client -- therefore it is my medical information and my choice whether to share it or not.

[JenHarrison]

keep your collection closed. it's the right thing to do.

Have I not already said multiple times for many days that this is what I'm doing?

[fishmommy]

um, I don't think the Dr's issue with sharing emails had anything to do with client vs. non-client. you should get permission. Besides, it's Dr. Gordon that's the client - not you, if I understand the situation correctly.

as for keeping the collection closed, that's great!
honestly, if you just say that and not muddy the water with all the other stuff you're posting I think this thread would die happy.

[littleindiangirl]

did you have permission to post those emails?

I read them fully, and IMO what you bolded is much less important that what you did not.
I really feel that you are interpreting things incorrectly to support your diagnosis rather than listening to the whole message, which is: UNKNOWN VIRUS, PLEASE WAIT

keep your collection closed. it's the right thing to do.

I agree. The bolded text was the least important out of context, as opposed to the entirety of the email. What I got from the email is exactly what has been concerning me this whole time.

To me, personally, without knowing anything about you pros or cons.

It sounds like you have read what you wanted to read (highlighted text with your own notes), even though he urgently tells you that there are scientists around the country, colleagues and other vets, working on this unknown virus, and that you should literally stop doing your own research and persuading yourself. Stop taking any corrective actions, until he has given you a definite answer. That may take months!

I can go online and find WebMD and try to diagnose myself with symptoms, and I may very likely be good at it. But that does not make me a Doctor, or suddenly make me equivalent to one or give me the authority to make any such diagnosis.

You've been immersed into this world, doing your best to learn as much as you can, but frankly, you most likely do not have any schooling in this area, and should take a huge step back. Stop making such large decisions when Dr. Jacobson has said time and time again in his emails that they are still working on your case.

Once again, my concerns are still the same. I do not think your a scammer, I do not think your out to make a fast buck, but I do think you should stay closed for a few years, or until at the least, Dr. Jacobson and his team are able to identify and decide on a course of action.

For the sake of yourself and the rest of this community. God forbid anything happen.

[JenHarrison]

I repeat:

Have I not already said multiple times for many days that this is what I'm doing?

At this point, I don't have anything else to say. I really don't want to be part of a community that spreads vindictive rumors and crucifies people that are trying to do things as best they can and be as honest as possible. The people that have told me this are right -- nothing I ever do will be good enough for anyone. Even in 5 years, once everything is long since cleared out, people will find something new to sink their claws into. I would rather avoid the heartache and drama, especially as I am most unwelcome now it seems. I have left a message for Dr. Gordon today to see if he can come out here and take care of my snakes sometime today or this week. I am going to keep the ones that mean the most to me as pets, and will be done with this hobby entirely. There is nothing left for me to enjoy about it any more, only stress, anger, depression, and sorrow for what I have lost and the future I used to dream about. I am also no longer funding the research for this virus. I refuse to put myself into debt trying to get answers for something that no longer has anything to do with me and isn't going to do me any good. If others in this hobby want to continue to pursue it for the benefit of everyone, then by all means do so. I can have all records transferred to whoever wants to take over. I'm sorry if this disappoints my friends and supporters, and I greatly appreciate all of you who have been there for me for such a long time. But this is what I have to do -- if I keep going the way I am, I'm going to fall apart and so will everything else I hold dear.

For those of you that will make some comment about this post being dramatic or me "running away" or whatever other BS you can come up with -- well, you know where you can shove it. I don't care.

[SPJ]

Have I not already said multiple times for many days that this is what I'm doing?

Jen has stated she will not sell any animals. I think that is all anyone was concerned about (at least all that I was concerned with) so don't you think the issue has now been resolved?

[littleindiangirl]

Aside from all of the BS flying around. The 'witch hunt' as they call in on the BOI, the main reasoning for this thread has done it's job.

The community was concerned with her selling the babies that came from the infected mothers, that have since had no clinical signs and have been vaccinated for a OMPV virus.

Other concerns were statements that this may be a new virus. If it were a new virus, then perhaps NO animals should leave her collection.

That's all it has ever been about. For me anyways.

She was told that she was in the right, to sell and breed her animals (not necessarily just the previously infected ones), by at least one vet.

The other Vet has said he's still working on it.

With the lack of any hard evidence about what actually happened to these animals, YES, we are concerned about you letting any leave your possession.

I think all anyone has been saying is to just WAIT. Just wait Jen. You don't need to destroy your animals. Just wait... let things play out.

Don't throw us a guilt trip and destroy your collection, just don't make hasty decisions when we are still in the dark about what truly Dr. Jacobson is working on.

You may have been convinced, but obviously there were many that weren't. Given the sketchy details and just your word that you were told it was ok, it's hard to believe unconditionally.

Like it has been said, no one would ever wish what happened to your collection on someone else.

Given the devastation that came from Wyatts animals, nothing is certain at this point in time given what little details we have. Many others have a lot to lose just as you did.

I think that's all anyone has really been concerned about. Just wait... separate the chaff from the grain, and wait. There are many people that don't think your deserving of the accusations being made here.

[Tosha_Mc]

What lies and rumors did I tell the Dr. Jen? Did you not say repeatedly that he told you that you could start rebuilding your collection that you could sell animals into the community, etc.? If you need to think about it go back and read Deborahs posts quoting you as saying such, there are plenty more out there as well. Did you not have the hatchlings up for sale as well as some females you picked up at the local petstore and brought home - weren't hatchlings all ready to be shipped out? In at least one of your posts you implied that they were gone to new homes? All according to you under the advice of Dr. Jacobsen, again see your quotes. I simply emailed him and told him that IMO that was totally irresponsible advice considering what you just went through. My email was based on what yousaid - if there are lies in it - then you put them there - not me. Stop making me out to be the bad guy - they are your lies.

[SatanicIntention]

I'm just glad I have my lists of who is ok to buy from and who is not..

Kind of sucks being in Texas since everyone in Texas is getting blamed for having all of these viruses. Most dangerous thing in my collection might be some stuck shed..